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Declassified Transcripts of Flynn-Kislyak Calls Released

Yet, they dropped the case on McGahn's testimony, so again, you are operating on outdated information.

Do you have anything newer than 2 weeks ago?

I'm all ears.

House tells Supreme Court its investigation into possible impeachable offenses isn't over

WASHINGTON – House Democrats told the Supreme Court that it needs grand jury evidence from the Russia probe as they continue to investigate whether President Donald Trump had committed additional impeachable offenses.
 

Just about all of which is garbage.

The Mueller hack prosecutor had to resign and why a US Attorney is conducting a criminal investigation into this abuse of power and many related crimes.
 
Flynn had not delegated the authority to engage in diplomacy on behalf of the United States. That is what he was doing, and that is why what he was doing was wrong.

Oh my, "wrong."

Except that what Flynn did is very common with a new incoming admniistration.

I've cited evidence of actual crimes by Mueller and his hacks and high Obama officials.

Are you blind that you didn't see that evidence?:doh
 

The witnesses with respect to Mrs. Clinton were given immunity out of the box.
Again-- just pointing out the disparity.
 
Not in Flynn's case they didn't.

I pasted it earlier. The opening memo. Did you not read the opening memo? I have to post it again?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...smiss/fa06f5e13a0ec71843b6/optimized/full.pdf

*sigh*

Let's do it again.

Open your PDF to page 28:



No U.S. citizen has the right to not be investigated.

You have a mistaken notion about how law enforcement in the U.S. works.

Flynn, in particular, engaged in a VOLUNTARY interview, where he, himself, discouraged the attendance of White House counsel.

Flynn's rights were not violated.

Barr -- in his motion to dismiss -- did not bring up any violation of Flynn's constitutional rights.

Your arguments in this regard are based on pro-Trump propaganda and have little relation to the facts.

Evidence WAS collected improperly

Not with respect to Flynn.

there WERE mistakes made in getting warrants

Not with respect to Flynn.

Page's status WAS lied about to gain FISA warrants

That was 2 out of 500 warrants.

Let's recap how broad the investigation was:

Mueller report: The Trump campaign investigation by the numbers

675: The number of days from when Mueller was appointed to the day he turned in his report to Barr.

- 34: people indicted as a result of Mueller's investigation, including Russian nationals and several former Trump aides and advisors.

- 19: lawyers who were employed by the special counsel's office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

- About 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff that assisted with the investigation.

- More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel's office, that's an average of at least four per day.

- Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

- More than 230 orders for communication records.

- Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

- 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

- 500 witnesses interviewed

- $25 million in posted costs as of February

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There was more to the investigation than the Page FISA warrants.
 
If they did things that warranted scrutiny no one should have had to bend the rules to get information, warrants, and get confessions. But they DID.

They did for 2 out of the 500 warrants.

And Horowitz looked into it.

Horowitz said Crossfire Hurricane was adequately predicated.
 
What is being said is that the folks in the Obama DOJ and DNI (Clapper, McCabe, Brennan) have all testified that they saw no evidence that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia.

They did not say this. They did not say there was "no evidence" that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia.

I am a very patient person but the fact you are consistently lying about this in support of Trump is quite tiresome.
 
They did not say this. They did not say there was "no evidence" that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia.

I am a very patient person but the fact you are consistently lying about this in support of Trump is quite tiresome.

They actually did. They were all asked that same question.
And all said "No."
 
It may have simply been a misunderstanding. If Trump is somehow supposed to be a Russian agent along with Flynn, then why would they lie about conversation with Russian ambassador?

All of this could be easily and quickly resolved with a very short conversation with two FBI agents (where the person being interviewed is not lying his *** off).
 
Which lie do you want to stick with? That they knew or that they had to find out?

To know a thing for sure, with respect to some criminal or counterintelligence issue, oftentimes they have to....do any investigation. That's the whole point of doing investigations.

You always seem to hang your arguments on things that they did wrong. Its what happens when you do things for political reasons not because they are the right thing to do.

It is silly, given the huge amount of evidence, to think that the FBI should not have initiated Crossfire Hurricane. The FBI would have been negligent in its duty to protect the U.S. had it ignored all the indications that the Russian government was interfering in the election, and the evidence indicating suspicious behavior on the part of the Trump campaign.


It is inaccurate to say the investigation was based on faulty, falsified, or incorrect information. You need to read the Special Counsel's report. That report details a wide array of evidence indicating interference on the part of Trump and also indicates conspiracy or collusion on the part of the Trump campaign in various ways (although there was never enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt).

It's just not true there was not enough evidence to justify the investigation or the evidence was bad. You really need to go back and read the Special Counsel's report. There was a ton of evidence.

And, heck, some of it was even public, like when Trump was begging the Russian government to hack Clinton's servers.
 

How to Lie with Statistics in One Easy Lesson.:lol:

There were four FISA warrants against Page.

At least two of them were illegal.

Both by Mueller and his corrupt hacks, at least three of whom are under criminal investigation.

Throw in how an important FBI lawyer tampered with evidence, and I'll bet all were illegal.

Gosh, haven't you said repeatedly that there's no evidence those nice FBI officials committed any crimes?
 
And, heck, some of it was even public, like when Trump was begging the Russian government to hack Clinton's servers.

Hey Mr. Mueller Report Expert, can you explain how the Russians could hack a server that no longer existed?:lol:

Do they like have a time machine or something?

The silly freaking lies liberals will tell, geez.
 
Yet you feel qualified to comment when you obviously lack a large chunk of knowledge regarding the case.

It came out YESTERDAY.

I like learning stuff about this topic, but no, I'm not reading stuff within 24 hours of publication.

Ignorant, belligerent, and uninformed is no way to go through life. Get to reading.

Is this a personal attack, OpportunityCost?

Shame, shame, shame.

Why can't you just stick to the topic?
 

True, lots of other crimes were committed in the rest of their corrupt actions.

Perjury.

Obstruction of justice.

Witness tampering.

Conspiracy.

Which is why they are being investigated by a US Attorney.
 
They actually did. They were all asked that same question.
And all said "No."

They said no to specific questions.

They did not say there was "no evidence."

You are lying.

Why lie?

You don't honestly believe what you're saying, do you?

You do understand that was more than "zero" evidence, right?

You do understand that you are just repeating propaganda, right?
 
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I am a very patient person but the fact you are consistently lying about this in support of Trump is quite tiresome.

You obviously have no sense of irony.

Gosh, how did I forget to mention the illegal leaking of Flynn's conversation; a felony with a penalty of up to 10 years in prison.

Without that leak, no investigation would have happened.

Hey, tell everyone again how no crimes were committed by those squeakly clean Obama officials.:lol:

When you lied that Trump and Barr are like the Mob, it is safe to say that is was the Obama administration that really was.

 

The specific question was whether they had any evidence of a conspiracy by Trump or members of his campaign.
And they all answered "No."
 

Mr. Mueller Report Expert is never held back by little things like facts.

He'll give you a word salad dump sprinkled with half truths and lies like he does almost every time.
 
The specific question was whether they had any evidence of a conspiracy by Trump or members of his campaign. And they all answered "No."

This is not correct and I challenge you to prove it.
 
You do understand that you are just repeating propaganda, right?

Sez the guy with absolutely no sense of irony.

Hey, did you hear? Even FISA judges are now caught up in this, giggle, "conspiracy theory" that liars like Rush and Hannity are spreading.

 
This is not correct and I challenge you to prove it.

Demands the guy who has smeared the Attorney General of the country with zero evidence.

And three US Attorneys when he claimed they aren't really investigating anything.
 
Mr. Mueller Report Expert is never held back by little things like facts.

He'll give you a word salad dump sprinkled with half truths and lies like he does almost every time.

Prove it. Cite it.
 

Sure, absolutely.

Without hesitation.

At once.

As soon as you prove that Attorney General Barr is committing federal crimes, betraying his oath of office, his oath to the Constitution and the country by covering up for Trump.

Rotsa ruck, Mr. Mueller Report Expert.
 
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