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So one idea that gets trotted out a lot, is that Hillary Clinton was basically “let off” and that the Mueller investigation is politically motivated by the political elite to “get” Trump at all costs.
It’s not always stated that explicitly, but that’s the general structure of the story.
So I asked myself, would that perception have changed if Hillary had been prosecuted?
I quickly came to the conclusion that it would not, let’s paint a picture shall we?
During the 2016 election, exactly the same everything occurs, every word and every action by both candidates remains the same EXCEPT, When Comey goes before congress, his recommendation is that Hillary Clinton is indicted on mishandling classified information etc.
She is successfuly prosecuted and either faces jail or a massive financial penalty.
The same concerns remain about Trumps possible wrongdoing in various forms, he still fires Comey over an active investigation (which he admitted) and Mueller is appointed as SC and what would Trump supporters most likely response be?
”this is an act of political revenge of the elite because Hillary got in trouble”.
so please, spare us the sob story of how someone you hate politically didn’t get in trouble, therefore the SC’s investigation is illegitimate, because you’d most likely think it even if she had.
Your premise that, had Clinton been prosecuted and convicted of destroying evidence (obstruction of justice) and mishandling of classified data, she would have still been the 2016 demorat POTUS nominee is seriously doubtful. With another challenger in the general election, Trump may well never have been elected POTUS.
So one idea that gets trotted out a lot, is that Hillary Clinton was basically “let off” and that the Mueller investigation is politically motivated by the political elite to “get” Trump at all costs.
It’s not always stated that explicitly, but that’s the general structure of the story.
So I asked myself, would that perception have changed if Hillary had been prosecuted?
I quickly came to the conclusion that it would not, let’s paint a picture shall we?
During the 2016 election, exactly the same everything occurs, every word and every action by both candidates remains the same EXCEPT, When Comey goes before congress, his recommendation is that Hillary Clinton is indicted on mishandling classified information etc.
She is successfuly prosecuted and either faces jail or a massive financial penalty.
The same concerns remain about Trumps possible wrongdoing in various forms, he still fires Comey over an active investigation (which he admitted) and Mueller is appointed as SC and what would Trump supporters most likely response be?
”this is an act of political revenge of the elite because Hillary got in trouble”.
so please, spare us the sob story of how someone you hate politically didn’t get in trouble, therefore the SC’s investigation is illegitimate, because you’d most likely think it even if she had.
So one idea that gets trotted out a lot, is that Hillary Clinton was basically “let off” and that the Mueller investigation is politically motivated by the political elite to “get” Trump at all costs.
It’s not always stated that explicitly, but that’s the general structure of the story.
So I asked myself, would that perception have changed if Hillary had been prosecuted?
I quickly came to the conclusion that it would not, let’s paint a picture shall we?
During the 2016 election, exactly the same everything occurs, every word and every action by both candidates remains the same EXCEPT, When Comey goes before congress, his recommendation is that Hillary Clinton is indicted on mishandling classified information etc.
She is successfuly prosecuted and either faces jail or a massive financial penalty.
The same concerns remain about Trumps possible wrongdoing in various forms, he still fires Comey over an active investigation (which he admitted) and Mueller is appointed as SC and what would Trump supporters most likely response be?
”this is an act of political revenge of the elite because Hillary got in trouble”.
so please, spare us the sob story of how someone you hate politically didn’t get in trouble, therefore the SC’s investigation is illegitimate, because you’d most likely think it even if she had.
Also, Mueller was not appointed because Trump fired Comey. Mueller was appointed because of an investigation during the tail-end of the Obama Administration into allegations of possible conspiracy with a foreign power to undermine the 2016 election, generated by a dossier financed by the DNC and pushed by elements of the FBI as an "insurance policy" if Trump did get elected.
Sessions could have convened a grand jury to seek indictment of Hillary at any time.
Hell, Whittaker still could for anything within the relevant SOL.
Excellent points.Also, Mueller was not appointed because Trump fired Comey. Mueller was appointed because of an investigation during the tail-end of the Obama Administration into allegations of possible conspiracy with a foreign power to undermine the 2016 election, generated by a dossier financed by the DNC and pushed by elements of the FBI as an "insurance policy" if Trump did get elected.
IMO that would still have occurred if Hillary had been "convicted" regardless of who the DNC ran if Trump still got elected. If Trump were defeated by a replacement DNC candidate, then there would probably have been no Mueller investigation. In that case the "issue" would have been moot.
The bolded is horse poop. As we've come to learn, US counterintelligence had plenty of reasons sans the dossier to investigate the Trump campaign/Russian meddling.
Bullcrap. Comey's 2nd in command admitted UNDER OATH, "No dossier/no FISA warrant". The MYTH of Papadopolou.s and Carter Page's "Russian links" WERE/ARE TOTAL LIES.
So one idea that gets trotted out a lot, is that Hillary Clinton was basically “let off” and that the Mueller investigation is politically motivated by the political elite to “get” Trump at all costs.
It’s not always stated that explicitly, but that’s the general structure of the story.
So I asked myself, would that perception have changed if Hillary had been prosecuted?
I quickly came to the conclusion that it would not, let’s paint a picture shall we?
During the 2016 election, exactly the same everything occurs, every word and every action by both candidates remains the same EXCEPT, When Comey goes before congress, his recommendation is that Hillary Clinton is indicted on mishandling classified information etc.
She is successfuly prosecuted and either faces jail or a massive financial penalty.
The same concerns remain about Trumps possible wrongdoing in various forms, he still fires Comey over an active investigation (which he admitted) and Mueller is appointed as SC and what would Trump supporters most likely response be?
”this is an act of political revenge of the elite because Hillary got in trouble”.
so please, spare us the sob story of how someone you hate politically didn’t get in trouble, therefore the SC’s investigation is illegitimate, because you’d most likely think it even if she had.
According to Sessions' congressional testimony, "it would take a 'factual basis' to appoint a special counsel" to investigate Hillary, let alone indict her.
Hillary has been investigated for 25 years by multiple congressional committees as well as the FBI. She herself has testified openly and freely in front of Congress for many hours. And in all that time, not a single criminal charge has been filed or referred for prosecution.
How many more investigations and years will it take? It seems to me they would have found something - anything - to charge her with a crime by now.
How many more years do you need?
Why do you assume a special counsel would be needed for the AG to personally convene a grand jury to seek indictment or to ask an underlying US Attorney or one of they many assistants? Hillary is a private citizen, not President. Unless there's some really weird provision I'm not familiar with, I don't see any reason Sessions couldn't have done it, and the only reason Whittaker might not is that the clock is ticking...
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