Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208571]

[Rearden]

Was that suppose to be English? Dam Common Core! :lamo

I am FREE to say whatever I wish about ypur apparent ignorance (within forum rules). And the FACT you trotted out the 1st amendment shows you do not understand that as well.

So,quit thw nonsense.

 

[Rearden]

Because obviously written words havent worked for you and I thought a visual might be helpful.
28 missing pages that need released.
3 Congressmen Call for Release of Secret 9/11 Documents After Reading Them Washington's Blog

Why did you post a photo of columns cut with torches?

 

[American]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

which scientific community? those now 2300 architects and engineers with more than 100 Phd's strong that disagree and rebutted those reports?

Details are worthless when they do not identify, answer and put to rest the elemental facts of the matter in a manner that is satisfactory to the rest of the engineering community.

Nice advertizing though, are you their PR agent?

Explain to me how they faked all the funerals from the airplane crashes.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

Explain to me how they faked all the funerals from the airplane crashes.

Truthers avoid any discussion about the passengers. It's never on topic for them and they avoid any threads that concern that subject.

 

[Rearden]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

Why are the nearly 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from an official federal registry of death?

According to the Death Master File — the official record of 90 million deceased Americans who were issued Social Security cards since 1937 — there were 6,298 deaths recorded on that awful day in 2001 when terrorists struck the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a rural area in Pennsylvania.

But since an average of 6,200 Americans die every day, there should have been more than 9,000 deaths recorded for Sept. 11, 2001.

Conspicuous by their absence in the federal file are many prominent victims of the attacks, including New York City Fire Chief Peter Ganci Jr., Fire Department Chaplain Mychal Judge and businessmen Daniel Lewin, founder of Akamai Technologies, and Thomas Burnett Jr. chief operating officer of Thoratec Corp.

“The mystery about 9/11 baffles me,” said Beth Givens, executive director of the San Diego-based Privacy Rights Clearinghouse which has received complaints about the accuracy of the death file. “The only things that come to mind are some of the conspiracy theories that we hear out there — and I don’t want to go there.”

Conspiracy theorists, indeed, have noticed and are questioning whether the government has told the truth about what happened that day. A video posted on YouTube entitled “Where are the 9/11 Victims?” shows that only 405 people are listed as dying in the state of New York that day.

The Social Security Administration, which oversees the Death Master File, does not have a clear explanation.
Why are 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from Social Security death list? Daily Republic

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

Might you provide a reference to one of them saying they "found the real truth?" I had never heard that before, until your claim.

Then you must NOT have read both the Report or the books nor interviews by and with the Commission members then ... a Report they all SIGNED off on too.

"John Farmer- Well, let me just say that I think the [9-11 Commission] report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found."

AUDIO & TRANSCRIPT: Brad Friedman interview with John Farmer, 9/11/09 | The BRAD BLOG

 

[Rearden]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

I dont know where this guy got this but one resigned and the other 4 said that the report was "highly implausible"
If they would lie about how many people were killed by the police why would people not believe that they were lying about this. The ies out of washington are continuous.
Report Finds FBI Undercounts Police Killings by Half | Global Research
"Bob Graham – says:

I have personally talked to the other cochair of the Congressional Joint Inquiry, a man who was a very distinguished congressman and, later, director of the CIA [Porter Goss], I have talked to the two chairs of the … 9/11 Commission, asking them, what do you think were the prospects of these 19 people being able to plan, practice, and execute the complicated plot that was 9/11 without any external support?

All three of them used almost the same word: “Implausible”. That it is implausible that that could have been the case."

Then you must NOT have read both the Report or the books nor interviews by and with the Commission members then ... a Report they all SIGNED off on too.

"John Farmer- Well, let me just say that I think the [9-11 Commission] report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found."

AUDIO & TRANSCRIPT: Brad Friedman interview with John Farmer, 9/11/09 | The BRAD BLOG

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Of course it is false. You would have to believe that lower temps then what are used to clean a self cleaning oven brought down a steal building. You would have to believe that jet fuel can jump from one elevator shaft to another since their explanation for the explosions below ground were due to jet fuel going down all the elevator shafts. Those elevators were not one continuous shaft but broken into 3 sections and people had to exit 1/3 of the way up and take an escalator to the next floor to continue up.
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HUGE FAIL Rearden ... for although the elevator cars themselves were staggered, they were all STILL WITHIN the one shaft.

There were NO explosions below ground either.

You would have to believe that the flight attendant who left the message on her husbands cell phone that "its a frame" was calling 30,000 ft in the air when the first sucessful cell phone call from a plane above 25,000 ft didnt happen for another 3 years.

Wee hint ... NONE of the 9/11 calls were from FLIGHT LEVELS.

You would have to believe that the thermite found there some how came in from out of nowhere and that it was actually jet fuel that burned and caused the molten steal that was seen for over a month after the demolition.

The word is "steel" Rearden not "steal" ... it does NOT bode well for you getting such a simple word spelling wrong to be any more accurate and right for more technical and difficult stuff.

ZERO thermite was seen or found at or after 9/11.

ZERO molten steel was found either.

You would have to believe that all the support in building 7 spontaneously and simultaneously collapsed at the same second and that the free fall of the entire building was caused by a small fire in one section of the building.

CRAPTACULAR FAIL in all that .. for WTC7 did NOT fall at or anywhere near freefall.

FAIL too on the fires ... there were multiple fires on multiple floors ... fires which travelled THROUGH the width of the buildings.

You would have to believe that BBC are fortune tellers and knew bldg. 7 was going to fall and reported it fallen even as it still stood behind the reporter.
I could go on and on but I think you get my drift.

Surely you know that that woman, as a FOREIGNER of a FOREIGN news agency, as the BBC's AFRICA Correspondent would NOT firstly be even familiar with the NY skyline ... then add to that the utter stupidity of thinking the evil US government would even "tell" this foreign BBC ... you know, the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation ... a vehemently ANTI-US/Bush agency its diabolical plan.

How silly !!!

 

[Rearden]

I will address your first claim since it is probably the best you could do . Look at the Diagram again. No they were not tied to one shaft but had to be moved by escalator to keep traveling vertically.

HUGE FAIL Rearden ... for although the elevator cars themselves were staggered, they were all STILL WITHIN the one shaft.

There were NO explosions below ground either.




Wee hint ... NONE of the 9/11 calls were from FLIGHT LEVELS.




The word is "steel" Rearden not "steal" ... it does NOT bode well for you getting such a simple word spelling wrong to be any more accurate and right for more technical and difficult stuff.

ZERO thermite was seen or found at or after 9/11.

ZERO molten steel was found either.




CRAPTACULAR FAIL in all that .. for WTC7 did NOT fall at or anywhere near freefall.

FAIL too on the fires ... there were multiple fires on multiple floors ... fires which travelled THROUGH the width of the buildings.




Surely you know that that woman, as a FOREIGNER of a FOREIGN news agency, as the BBC's AFRICA Correspondent would NOT firstly be even familiar with the NY skyline ... then add to that the utter stupidity of thinking the evil US government would even "tell" this foreign BBC ... you know, the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation ... a vehemently ANTI-US/Bush agency its diabolical plan.

How silly !!!

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

I will address your first claim since it is probably the best you could do . Look at the Diagram again. No they were not tied to one shaft but had to be moved by escalator to keep traveling vertically.
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HUGE fail in comprehension ... that is NOT a gospel image but a simplified graphic to show the staggering ... you missed this in your link too ... EXPRESS CARS ... ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.





In reality ALL the elevators were staggered WITHIN the same shaft housing.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Knowing something isnt true doesnt necessarily mean that the truth is known. I am not gullible enough to believe that jet fuel burned for over a month and got hot enough to molten concrete.
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Wee hint Rearden ... there is PAPER and bits of carpet inside that meteorite ... it is NOT formed by "melting" but by FUSION caused by CRUSHING and PRESSURE.

Funny how it is so "molten" but the steel rods are STILL in shape ... funny that !!!

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

All the proof that they are lying is well documented in these videos. Go to the end of vid 1. It will make the hair stand on the back of your neck.

No, they won't for they are all old and crap and wrong ... you HAVE to be deeply gullible and suggestible to fall for such obvious guff.

2006 called ... they want their ball back too !!!

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

I gave you that link and you disregarded it. How about that big foot hair? Should I give you my paypal acct?
You still havent explained how 9 cell phone calls came from an airplane 30,000 ft in the air when the technology wasnt available for 3 more years. Pleas... do tell.:lol:

Wee hint Rearden ... NONE of the calls came when the plane was at flight level, tens of thousands of feet in the air.

WHY ... seriously WHY do you not know this ... not like in the 13 years since the day the height the calls were made from isn't known.

How deeply illogical and assumtive a claim that the calls were made whilst high in the sky ... in reality the calls were made NEAR THE GROUND on the DIVE ...

And since most of the calls were made from AIR FONES then your point is moot too.

Oh! look ... here is a truther site with the honesty and grace to ADMIT the claims about the mobile phone calls ARE FALSE ...


(The fake phone calls theory has become increasingly isolated within the community of skeptics, first with the discrediting of the "no-jetliners" claims dovetailing with the fake calls theory, and subsequently with the release of documents finally articulating the government's position that most of the calls were from airphones rather than cell phones. For example, a prosecution exhibit from the 2006 Zacarias Moussaoui trial indicated that only two of the phone calls from Flight 93 were from cell phones, and both were made late in the flight, when the jetliner was at low altitude.)

9-11 Review: ERROR: 'The Phone Calls were Fake'

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Bawaawahhahaha that isnt smoke that is debris roll out from the collapse of the Tower.

Nope ...

There is no smoke without ....................................... ???

http://www.septclues.com/ANIMATED GIF FILES sept clues research/WTC7 smoke on History Channel 1.gif



The FDNY said "fully involved" in fire and somehow I think what with them BEING THERE and seeing it first hand and what with being EXPERTS in knowing about fire and all that ... somehow I think THEY know a lot more than you, and so I take THEIR understanding over yours any day.

 

[gamolon]

I find it odd that people chose toself comfort themselves with an obvious lie and claim to know the truth but can never explain why the 9 cell phone calls that came from 93 were possible in 2001.

First, can you link you information that shows 9 cell phone calls were made from flight 93?

Second, were any of those calls made from Airfones?

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

I havent given a theory and have no idea what happened. The 9/11 Commission report is full of holes and even admittedly so by NIST in 2010.
"WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part III) by David Chandler"

And yet Rearden, what is the bet's that for all your claim of the Commission Report being full of holes ... you WON'T actually be able to cite ONE SINGLE THING it gets wrong ... will you ???

Oh! and NIST did NOT have to "admit" any freefall for WTC7 whatsoever ... Chandler lied.

For NIST spoke of that teeny wee bit of freefall in their DRAFT report ... BEFORE Chandler ever even mentioned the word "freefall".

Old news is old too ... for here is that wrong claim being corrected in this forum years ago ...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ave-been-done-were-told-2.html#post1059126613

You are VERY late to the party Rearden !!!

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

A quote from an expert. Take or leave it. Im not a welder.
The very best work on these WTC controlled demolition attacks is presented by Dr. Steven E. Jones (Brigham Young University) here: "

Another wee hint Rearden ... Jones as a PHYSICIST who deals in COLD FUSION energy is NOT an "expert" whatsoever in demolition, structures or thermites.

Jones is a NON-EXPERT.

And he LEFT the truther movement a few years ago now ... he slunk away and abandoned you all.

 

[gamolon]

Of course it is false. You would have to believe that lower temps then what are used to clean a self cleaning oven brought down a steal building. You would have to believe that jet fuel can jump from one elevator shaft to another since their explanation for the explosions below ground were due to jet fuel going down all the elevator shafts. Those elevators were not one continuous shaft but broken into 3 sections and people had to exit 1/3 of the way up and take an escalator to the next floor to continue up.
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Really? Can you explain why the "red" elevator shaft (labeled "express to top) in your picture above shows it going from bottom to top? What about freight elevator #50?

You would have to believe that the flight attendant who left the message on her husbands cell phone that "its a frame" was calling 30,000 ft in the air when the first sucessful cell phone call from a plane above 25,000 ft didnt happen for another 3 years.

You proof that no successful phone call was ever successfully made?

You would have to believe that the thermite found there some how came in from out of nowhere and that it was actually jet fuel that burned and caused the molten steal that was seen for over a month after the demolition.

Are you suggesting that thermite burned for over a month to MAINTAIN molten steel temperatures?

You would have to believe that all the support in building 7 spontaneously and simultaneously collapsed at the same second and that the free fall of the entire building was caused by a small fire in one section of the building.

The whole WTC7 structure came down in freefall?

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Thats not a construction clean up man in the picture. NYFD didnt stay on site for the clean up.

Yet more FAIL for you Rearden ... and failure in research skills for you.

The UNCROPPED image clearly shows a that this was during clean up ...


http://www.911truth.dk/first/img/wtcCutColumnLarge.jpg


And yes, the FDNY WERE on-site even during clean-up ... to do BODY RECOVERY.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

Why are the nearly 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from an official federal registry of death?

According to the Death Master File — the official record of 90 million deceased Americans who were issued Social Security cards since 1937 — there were 6,298 deaths recorded on that awful day in 2001 when terrorists struck the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a rural area in Pennsylvania.

But since an average of 6,200 Americans die every day, there should have been more than 9,000 deaths recorded for Sept. 11, 2001.

Conspicuous by their absence in the federal file are many prominent victims of the attacks, including New York City Fire Chief Peter Ganci Jr., Fire Department Chaplain Mychal Judge and businessmen Daniel Lewin, founder of Akamai Technologies, and Thomas Burnett Jr. chief operating officer of Thoratec Corp.

“The mystery about 9/11 baffles me,” said Beth Givens, executive director of the San Diego-based Privacy Rights Clearinghouse which has received complaints about the accuracy of the death file. “The only things that come to mind are some of the conspiracy theories that we hear out there — and I don’t want to go there.”

Conspiracy theorists, indeed, have noticed and are questioning whether the government has told the truth about what happened that day. A video posted on YouTube entitled “Where are the 9/11 Victims?” shows that only 405 people are listed as dying in the state of New York that day.

The Social Security Administration, which oversees the Death Master File, does not have a clear explanation.
Why are 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from Social Security death list? Daily Republic

The question should be were death certificates issues ? Yes or No.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

Why are the nearly 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from an official federal registry of death?

According to the Death Master File —

Yet more unmitigated FAIL for you Rearden ... that "file" ONLY lists those who were IN the Social Security programme ... NOT everyone automatically ...


(The SSDI does not include death records for everyone who has been issued a Social Security Number (card).

Common reasons for exclusion include the following:

The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA).
The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present.
The person did not participate in the Social Security program.
Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse.
A recent death may not be indexed yet.
Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled "Missing Entries in the SSDI.")

SSDI: Getting Started

Can you get anything right here Rearden about 9/11 ... well aside from the date that is ???

 

[Thoreau72]

Another wee hint Rearden ... Jones as a PHYSICIST who deals in COLD FUSION energy is NOT an "expert" whatsoever in demolition, structures or thermites.

Jones is a NON-EXPERT.

And he LEFT the truther movement a few years ago now ... he slunk away and abandoned you all.

Yes of course, the only expert in any field is Your Scottish Self. Yes, we get it. :lol:

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Re: Debunkers: why don't you prove the 9-11 official story?[W:208]

I dont know where this guy got this but one resigned and the other 4 said that the report was "highly implausible"
If they would lie about how many people were killed by the police why would people not believe that they were lying about this. The ies out of washington are continuous.
Report Finds FBI Undercounts Police Killings by Half | Global Research
"Bob Graham – says:

I have personally talked to the other cochair of the Congressional Joint Inquiry, a man who was a very distinguished congressman and, later, director of the CIA [Porter Goss], I have talked to the two chairs of the … 9/11 Commission, asking them, what do you think were the prospects of these 19 people being able to plan, practice, and execute the complicated plot that was 9/11 without any external support?

All three of them used almost the same word: “Implausible”. That it is implausible that that could have been the case."

Sorry but not credible as it is MERE OPINION ... and the mere FACT the Report was SIGNED off on is proof enough they all agreed with their findings.tht ba

But I see you FAIL too to get the POINT of what they said ... that being the "implausiblity" of them doing it WITHOUT support.

The hijackers were AMPLY supported ... bin Laden and his cohorts had PLENTY of money, contacts and facilities and so well able to support the highjackers.

Global Research ... *snigger*.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Yes of course, the only expert in any field is Your Scottish Self. Yes, we get it. :lol:

Which must be WHY you can only complain about me and not show what I say wrong then ... funny that !!!

 

[Thoreau72]

Which must be WHY you can only complain about me and not show what I say wrong then ... funny that !!!

I'm not really complaining, just commenting. I remember you in your previous 'blue' iteration. Long time no see.