Meathead
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You have to admit that having no objection to the taking of a life of the most innocent while objecting vociferously to the taking of the life of a cold blooded scumbag does represent a contradiction in no uncertain terms. I would have far more respect for someone if they were consistent in their value of life - no abortion/no death penalty (period).there is nothing contradictory about being against the death penalty but supporting abortion rights.
That doesn't change the fact that an abortion is "taking a life" which she seems to support while denouncing it when it comes to the death penalty. I'm not arguing (here) that abortion is right or wrong, I'm asking her to explain her statement.
There's no contradiction. One deals with personal, reproductive decisions while the other concerns bureaucratic officials arbitrarily deciding who lives and who dies.
Yes, there is a contradiction. Both deal with taking a life. The reasons behind the decision to take a life are immaterial to the statement "Taking a life is wrong."
Yes, there is a contradiction. Both deal with taking a life. The reasons behind the decision to take a life are immaterial to the statement "Taking a life is wrong."
i have conceded that the self defense issue muddied the waters but I think my argument still stands.
The last rime I will repeat this stuff: This is the same warning I gave to a poster last night:Seeing as you keep skirting around abortion and "life" and you are not well versed on the controversies surrounding the DP, I am guessing you came into this thread looking to catch someone in a slip up in their logic regarding killing so you can make some twisted attempt at convincing someone that abortion is murder. As I have stated: This is a thread about the DP. I am a strong believer in choice. I am also on the fence regarding the "beginning" of life. If you want to debate abortion, go to that thread. If you want to try to persuade me to your way of thinking regarding the "beginning" of life, come up with some argument as to why I should talk to you about it, PM me and then I will join you in a discussion. Get that through your head. I will not debate pro-life / pro-choice issues in a DP thread, they are independent issues with widely different consequences.
This is the last I will even respond to you in this thread unless you have valid arguments and stick to the issue at hand.
Anyone who wants to discuss, capital punishment, how it is applied unfairly, the costs associated with the (not just money), the message it sends about us as country, deterrence, retribution, closure, public executions, ethics for medical professionals involved etc... Please join me once again in this discussion,.
I never presumed that taking a life is wrong. Instead, I would argue the collective state making arbitrary decisions regarding life or death is wrong.
Ok, then understand that I was asking a person who made the statement "Taking a life is wrong" to clarify it.
I realize and understand that. It still doesn't deviate from the concept of self-ownership.
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Does the state taking a life deviate from the concept of self-ownership?
I'm fairly well versed in the controversy surrounding the death penalty, and I oppose it. What I am asking you is do you stand by the statement "Taking a life is wrong"? I am discussing capitol punishment. This isn't about yours or my opinion on the morality of abortion. Why are you dodging that question?
"Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong." —Taxigirl
Yet many wars have been fought for good reasons, like the War for Independence. Imo murder is wrong, as well as unjustified killing. When it comes down defending one's life, liberty, and family it doesn't translate as wrong. To be honest there are many people who are not bothered by killing spiders, or attackers, or invaders, etc.
Moderator's Warning: Topic is the death penalty, not abortion.
My answer, and I see you have already added my humble admission that self-defense trumps my argument to your signature to show everyone I may have contradicted my self (dude I admit it and I am working on wrapping my head around it) Is yes Killing is wrong, the taking of a life, murder is wrong. As unfortunate as it is in self defense situations you need to decide if its your life or theirs. It is not your fault, I don't believe the guilt lies with the person engaging is self defense as they were forced to by another. Just as the state is executing people on "behalf of the people", I am part of that group and I do not want anyone killed on my behalf.
Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong.
I get that, my question is: is taking a life wrong?
Yes, and it is wrong.
With that said, I don't believe in anarchy. Even though convicts have certain rights, society does have reasonable discretion to take certain liberties away.
Did you miss my post #413?
here's an excerpt: Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong.
I guess our timing just sucks today.Yeah, I saw it and answered it. I was replying to Red.
I guess our timing just sucks today.
So you do not support the death penalty?
Nope, I oppose it completely.
Do you ever argue outside of here about it with friends or other people or try to educated people on it?
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