Death an cryonics

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

BrewerBob said:

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

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It should be a human right.

BrewerBob said:

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

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It was the rage 25 years ago - have not heard much since.

BrewerBob said:

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

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It's a money making scam designed to sucker in people who are afraid of death into paying large sums of money to these companies for the false hope of resurrection. It's also extremely ghoulish and irreverent to the bodies of the dead. It should be banned.

SMTA said:

It was the rage 25 years ago - have not heard much since.

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You don't see in the media anymore. But the Cryoincs Institute is still chugging alon, taking on a new "patient" every few months.

BrewerBob said:

You don't see in the media anymore. But the Cryoincs Institute is still chugging alon, taking on a new "patient" every few months.

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Really!?

Time for google.

ETA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics_Institute

Fascinating!

BrewerBob said:

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

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Just think if the cryogenics had your brain active and dreaming that entire time. Vanilla Sky anybody?

joG said:

It should be a human right.

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Why would it be a human right, there's no evidence at all that it does anything but waste money.

Cephus said:

Why would it be a human right, there's no evidence at all that it does anything but waste money.

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That is no argument against preserving human life!

Paleocon said:

It's a money making scam designed to sucker in people who are afraid of death into paying large sums of money to these companies for the false hope of resurrection. It's also extremely ghoulish and irreverent to the bodies of the dead. It should be banned.

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You might be right about the motives of a particular company involved with it but that has nothing to do with the science of it.

And how is it irreverent to the dead? It is a choice by the person who the body belonged to.

joG said:

That is no argument against preserving human life!

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You're not preserving human life, these people are dead. It's a scam.

BrewerBob said:

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

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I think it's a cool science fiction idea. Having said that, the fiction part, is reinstating the "spark of life". In order for a human being to be pronounced dead to begin with, that spark must not be present, and takes up to fifteen minutes as I understand. So based on that alone, I wouldn' do it until I can see (people) being in effect "raised from the dead".

BTW, I've heard or read nothing that indicates that the procedure has been performed on living people; ya'know, at the 'jumpin' off place'.

jet57 said:

I think it's a cool science fiction idea. Having said that, the fiction part, is reinstating the "spark of life". In order for a human being to be pronounced dead to begin with, that spark must not be present, and takes up to fifteen minutes as I understand. So based on that alone, I wouldn' do it until I can see (people) being in effect "raised from the dead".

BTW, I've heard or read nothing that indicates that the procedure has been performed on living people; ya'know, at the 'jumpin' off place'.

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Exactly. The whole idea behind cryonics is an unsupported and unjustified claim that someday, we'll be able to bring people back from the dead. Okay, it could happen, I suppose, but until it does, it isn't science, it remains fiction. There is no evidence whatsoever that this will actually work. It's all wishful thinking.

All that lightning, striking bolts in my neck, might bring me (It's alive) back, but could cause distemper.

Cephus said:

You're not preserving human life, these people are dead. It's a scam.

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But with a live future.

joG said:

But with a live future.

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Prove it. Until it's actually been done, it's just a fantasy.

Cephus said:

Prove it. Until it's actually been done, it's just a fantasy.

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Sure. That's what you want to believe. But try it.you'll love it.

BrewerBob said:

You might be right about the motives of a particular company involved with it but that has nothing to do with the science of it.

And how is it irreverent to the dead? It is a choice by the person who the body belonged to.

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There is no "science" to it. No human being has ever raised a person who has been dead for more than a few days from the dead.

It's irreverent because it is specifically intended not to be a final resting place.

No thanks. First, I don't believe we'll EVER have the technology to preserve our memories, which is WHO WE ARE. When something freezes, especially tissue, the moisture crystallizes, which shreds all the tissue. I believe we'll one day be able to repair that shredded tissue, yes, and repair the damage, and "revive" a frozen person...but we have NO WAY of restoring all the lost information. You would wake up with no memory, possibly even no motor skills, etc. You'd have the mind of a child, IMO.


And for personal reasons, I would not want to do it because, well.....frankly, death is the final frontier. How else will I ever get my chance to be proven right or wrong about the afterlife? And if I'm wrong, how else will I ever be able to stand before God and spit?

No, I would not deny myself that, on the hope of more life.

joG said:

Sure. That's what you want to believe. But try it.you'll love it.

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I notice you didn't bother trying to prove it. Fail much? Oh wait... all the time apparently.

BrewerBob said:

I thought cryonics might be a fun topic. Cryonics is an effort to save lives by using temperatures so cold that a person beyond help by today's medicine might be preserved for decades or centuries until a future medical technology can restore that person to full health.

So you have a terminal disease and pay a cryonics company to preserve your body. Aren't rich? No problem, you can pay for it with a life insurance policy.

There would have to be a lot of technological advances. Not only would they have to cure whatever disease you have, but they would have to repair whatever damage the freezing did to your body. The freezing technology improves with the years but we still aren't there yet.

But let's pretend that within your lifetime the technology is perfected to the point that they have proven its efficacy with numerous mammalian species. Would you consider doing it?

I have gone back and forth on it. Back when I was single I wouldn't have hesitated if I had the money. Now I have the money but am married and have two kids and find myself deciding against it. First, isn't it just better to leave that money to my family rather than taking a gamble? Also, wouldn't it mess with my sons' minds knowing that their dad is frozen somewhere? Seems like there is more closure for them if I am just cremated and gone. While I am not looking forward to the dying process, I'm not afraid of death in the least. I even find the thought of it comforting sometimes. But I am also a very curious person. I want to know what happens next and I won't find out if I am dead.

Dying and then waking up 100 or 1,000 years in the future certainly sounds like an exciting adventure but couldn't I also be waking up to a living hell? Maybe the future isn't that great of a place. Maybe those of us in cryonic suspension are revived in order to experiment on us. Eternal dreamless sleep sounds preferable to that.

Your thoughts?

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1. In 1,000 years the world will be so full of people that laws will have been passed by then preventing the reawakening of cryogenics people to add to the global overpopulation problem.

2. Watch the movie Vanilla Sky. Also Forever Young.

3. What if you have nightmares the entire time?

4. That company is not likely to be in existence that far in the future.

5. That far in the future, the govt is likely to have stepped in to prevent the fraud being perpetrated on the public that they will be reawakened in the future, but only after paying a large sum of money now. (The Madoff Solution)

6. Your energy will be around forever, just like your energy was once something else. The universe has a specified amount of energy. Energy is not created anew. It transforms from one type of energy to another is all. People are energy. Everything in the universe is energy. When something dies in its current form, that energy transforms into another type of energy (or merges with another type). So you'll be around in the future. Just not in your current form.

7. How are you going to live, if you wake up in the future? Will the cure for your medical issue be free, or will you have the funds to pay for it? How will you earn a living? Will you be able to work? How will you will you pay to live while you recuperate from your surgery or treatment? How will you get around, with no driver's license? Will you even be able to drive the cars at that time? Will there BE cars?

8. What if you are cured when you wake up, but then get deathly ill from germs that you have no natural protection against, since you didn't grow up in that century? So you just die anyway.

9. Won't you be disturbed by the realization that all your loved ones, incl. your children and your great great great grandchildren will all be deceased?

10. The new govt will have had you and the other cryogenics done away with before your medical issue solution is discovered. Cryogenics will not be in keeping with the new govt's public policies.

10. Watch the movie Soylent Green. The world needs you to die. The world needs all of us to die, if new people are going to continue being born at the same alarming rate.

11. What if when you wake up, you find the world has been taken over by talking apes, and the Statue of Liberty is buried underneath the ground?

https://youtu.be/pBMvR_RnKu4

Cephus said:

I notice you didn't bother trying to prove it. Fail much? Oh wait... all the time apparently.

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Why. They are to be reawakened, I had understood.

joG said:

Why. They are to be reawakened, I had understood.

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That's the claim. Let's see it happen in reality. Until then, it remains nothing but an unsubstantiated claim.

Cephus said:

That's the claim. Let's see it happen in reality. Until then, it remains nothing but an unsubstantiated claim.

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Let's wait and see.

joG said:

Let's wait and see.

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Until it's proven, it's fantasy.