David Duke has spoken. Trump is IT for him.

[iguanaman]

Yep and he appeals to a sizeable and growing number of non-bigots as well.

What makes you so sure of that?

 

[Harman]

Donald Trump might not be a racist but he is pandering to the racist views of the Rethuglican base.

Fortunately, demographics are changing and people who hold these views will be pushed to the margins

 

[TheDemSocialist]

So your confirmation that Trump never stated Mexican Immigrants were rapist and drug dealers is confirmation that he did. That's many levels of lame.

What? He literally did. Word for word. Quote for quote. You asked to see where he did say that, I literally just provided where he did. And now your excuse is "well thats lame". :doh

As usual, liberal/progressive see what the want to see, and hear what they want to hear. Illegal aliens are many things, which has been proven to include rapists and drug dealers. Mexican Immigrants are not illegal aliens. Mexican Immigrants are people who followed the laws of this country, and immigrated legally. Illegal Aliens are failures from a failed country, who only seek to exploit this country, and include rapists, drug dealers, and many other undesirables.

:doh

Liberal/Progressives should stop insulting and spitting in the face of legal Mexican Immigrants by trying to make illegal aliens and legal immigrants one in the same. It's pathetic.

You still have yet explain how they are taken out of context and now are just saying its "liberals and progressives who are spitting in the face of legal mexican immmigrants" :doh

 

[ocean515]

What? He literally did. Word for word. Quote for quote. You asked to see where he did say that, I literally just provided where he did. And now your excuse is "well thats lame". :doh


:doh


You still have yet explain how they are taken out of context and now are just saying its "liberals and progressives who are spitting in the face of legal mexican immmigrants" :doh

No he literally did not. Again, people see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear. Trump even went on the explain to the tunnel minded what he said. And yet the liberal/progressive mindset refuses to accept that and continues to lie about what was said.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

No he literally did not. Again, people see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear. Trump even went on the explain to the tunnel minded what he said. And yet the liberal/progressive mindset refuses to accept that and continues to lie about what was said.

Your right he did explain more. When he said: "But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people." http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/

 

[ocean515]

Your right he did explain more. When he said: "But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people." http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/

That's correct. As Mexico encourages it's citizens to enter the US illegally, they purge the country of it's more undesirable population. I certainly have not seen Mexico encourage it's best and brightest to legally immigrate to the US, so Trumps comments are accurate. Prove this fact to be untrue.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

That's correct. As Mexico encourages it's citizens to enter the US illegally, they purge the country of it's more undesirable population. I certainly have not seen Mexico encourage it's best and brightest to legally immigrate to the US, so Trumps comments are accurate. Prove this fact to be untrue.

So how is this a misquoted or out of context? You are literally agreeing with everything in context where he said Mexico is sending people over, they are rapists, drug dealers, etc and they are "not the right people"

 

[ocean515]

So how is this a misquoted or out of context? You are literally agreeing with everything in context where he said Mexico is sending people over, they are rapists, drug dealers, etc and they are "not the right people"

Trump was speaking of the illegal aliens Mexico has been encouraging to cross into the US illegally to exploit this country and steal jobs from legal residents and citizens. He was not speaking of Legal Immigrants who chose to follow established legal immigration policies.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Trump was speaking of the illegal aliens Mexico has been encouraging to cross into the US illegally to exploit this country and steal jobs from legal residents and citizens.

Mexico is sending people across the border? Really? Please, would love to see evidence that the Mexican state is "encouraging" their citizens to come to this country...

He was not speaking of Legal Immigrants who chose to follow established legal immigration policies.

So all illegal immigrants are drug dealers, and rapists? While the legal ones are good people?

 

[ocean515]

Mexico is sending people across the border? Really? Please, would love to see evidence that the Mexican state is "encouraging" their citizens to come to this country...


So all illegal immigrants are drug dealers, and rapists? While the legal ones are good people?

Oh please, if your depth of knowledge is so limited that you are not aware of Mexico's efforts to pave the way for it's citizens to cross into the United States illegally, you shouldn't be commenting on this issue at all.

How to Cross Illegally Into the US by the MEXICAN GOV.

RISKS, PAGES 4 - 5
DANGERS OF CROSSING IN HIGH-RISK ZONES

Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night..

Thick clothing weighs you down when it's wet and makes it hard to swim or float.

RISKS, PAGES 6 - 7

If you cross in the desert, try to travel when the heat is not so intense.

Highways and towns are very far apart, so that it could take you several days to find roads and you will not be able to carry food or water for that long. You could even get lost.

Salted water helps you retain body fluids. Although you get more thirsty, if you drink salted water the risk of dehydration is lessened


Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores

Where have I stated all illegal aliens are drug dealers and rapists?

You've grown so obtuse as to be no longer worth the effort. As usual, the liberal/progressive perspective is clouded by lack of facts and an abundance of nothing but fiction based accusation.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Oh please, if your depth of knowledge is so limited that you are not aware of Mexico's efforts to pave the way for it's citizens to cross into the United States illegally, you shouldn't be commenting on this issue at all.

How to Cross Illegally Into the US by the MEXICAN GOV.

RISKS, PAGES 4 - 5
DANGERS OF CROSSING IN HIGH-RISK ZONES

Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night..

Thick clothing weighs you down when it's wet and makes it hard to swim or float.

RISKS, PAGES 6 - 7

If you cross in the desert, try to travel when the heat is not so intense.

Highways and towns are very far apart, so that it could take you several days to find roads and you will not be able to carry food or water for that long. You could even get lost.

Salted water helps you retain body fluids. Although you get more thirsty, if you drink salted water the risk of dehydration is lessened


Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores

Where have I stated all illegal aliens are drug dealers and rapists?

You've grown so obtuse as to be no longer worth the effort. As usual, the liberal/progressive perspective is clouded by lack of facts and an abundance of nothing but fiction based accusation.

1.)That link doesnt exist to the source...
2.)Its not promoting people to cross illegaly. It warning them of the dangers of crossing illegal. **** from the your link: "The safe way to enter another country is by first obtaining your passport, which is issued by the Delegations of the Secretariat of Foreign Relations, and your visa, which you request at the Embassy or Consulate of the country to where you wish to travel.... crossing high-risk zones that are very dangerous... As you read this guide you can also learn some basic questions about legal consequences of your stay in the United States of America without appropriate immigration documents... Always keep in mind that there are mechanisms for you to enter the United States of America legally.". Telling your citizens about the dangers of crossing a border, and telling them to do it legally is not, lets see how trump put it, "Mexico sends its people"....

But anyways lets leave it up to the fact checkers: "For evidence, we started with the Mexican Migration Project, a bi-national research effort founded in 1982 to study Mexican migration to the United States. Anthropologists, sociologists and other experts with the project gather data, including field interviews with migrants, that illuminate migration patterns.

The co-director of the project is Douglas Massey, a professor of sociology and public policy at Princeton University. Based on more than three decades of field research, Massey found Trump’s assertion to be flat wrong.

He pointed to findings from a paper he published in 2014 in the journal International Migration Review. In the paper, he and his co-authors concluded that undocumented migration from Mexico "was driven largely by U.S. labor demand and by the existence of well-developed migrant networks that provided migrants with access to U.S. labor markets despite a rising enforcement effort. The taking of additional trips is likewise tied to U.S. labor demand and access to migrant networks, as well as the number of U.S. trips a migrant has accumulated over his or her career.".. What about Mexican government efforts to push migrants into the United States? Nonexistent, Massey told PolitiFact.

"Mexico has never had a policy of pushing migrants toward the United States, much less ‘forcing many bad people into our country,’ " Massey said. "Mexican migration is tied to social and economic circumstances on both sides of the border."

Other experts sided with Massey.

"Immigrants come to work or to join family," said Jeffrey Passel, a senior demographer with the Pew Research Center’s Hispanic Trends Project. "And no, the Mexican government doesn’t force anyone to leave." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...p-mexican-government-they-send-bad-ones-over/

 

[ocean515]

1.)That link doesnt exist to the source...
2.)Its not promoting people to cross illegaly. It warning them of the dangers of crossing illegal. **** from the your link: "The safe way to enter another country is by first obtaining your passport, which is issued by the Delegations of the Secretariat of Foreign Relations, and your visa, which you request at the Embassy or Consulate of the country to where you wish to travel.... crossing high-risk zones that are very dangerous... As you read this guide you can also learn some basic questions about legal consequences of your stay in the United States of America without appropriate immigration documents... Always keep in mind that there are mechanisms for you to enter the United States of America legally.". Telling your citizens about the dangers of crossing a border, and telling them to do it legally is not, lets see how trump put it, "Mexico sends its people"....

But anyways lets leave it up to the fact checkers: "For evidence, we started with the Mexican Migration Project, a bi-national research effort founded in 1982 to study Mexican migration to the United States. Anthropologists, sociologists and other experts with the project gather data, including field interviews with migrants, that illuminate migration patterns.

The co-director of the project is Douglas Massey, a professor of sociology and public policy at Princeton University. Based on more than three decades of field research, Massey found Trump’s assertion to be flat wrong.

He pointed to findings from a paper he published in 2014 in the journal International Migration Review. In the paper, he and his co-authors concluded that undocumented migration from Mexico "was driven largely by U.S. labor demand and by the existence of well-developed migrant networks that provided migrants with access to U.S. labor markets despite a rising enforcement effort. The taking of additional trips is likewise tied to U.S. labor demand and access to migrant networks, as well as the number of U.S. trips a migrant has accumulated over his or her career.".. What about Mexican government efforts to push migrants into the United States? Nonexistent, Massey told PolitiFact.

"Mexico has never had a policy of pushing migrants toward the United States, much less ‘forcing many bad people into our country,’ " Massey said. "Mexican migration is tied to social and economic circumstances on both sides of the border."

Other experts sided with Massey.

"Immigrants come to work or to join family," said Jeffrey Passel, a senior demographer with the Pew Research Center’s Hispanic Trends Project. "And no, the Mexican government doesn’t force anyone to leave." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...p-mexican-government-they-send-bad-ones-over/

Absurd propaganda from a Progressive owned factcheck mill proves nothing.

Client Validation

Though largely unreported in the U.S. mainstream media, the two nations agreed on July 7, in a presidential-level meeting in Mexico, to make it legal and safe for Central American immigrants, including unaccompanied minors, to cross Mexico’s border with Guatemala and transit Mexico en route to the U.S. border at the Rio Grande.

The agreement apparently does not recognize that the result of such trips – entry into the United States – remains illegal.

But to facilitate the program, the Mexican government announced plans to issue a new “Regional Visitor Card” that will provide documentation for the Central Americans to remain in Mexico as long as it takes to get to the United States.

Under the auspices of a “Southern Border Program,” Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Guatemalan President Otto Pérez, in a meeting in Mexico, agreed to take five concrete steps designed to “protect and safeguard the human rights of migrants who enter and transit Mexico, so as to order international routes of passage [in and through Mexico] to increase and develop the security of the region.”​

Read more at Mexico, Guatemala fast-track delivery of illegals to U.S.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Absurd propaganda from a Progressive owned factcheck mill proves nothing.

:doh Ahh yes anything that proves your sources wrong is just a "progressive owned factcheck mil"... I love how you continue to rely on logical fallacies. But anyways since your soo worried about partisanship in sources why not use an openly far right wing source like the world net daily!
But ok! Lets get down to it!

Though largely unreported in the U.S. mainstream media, the two nations agreed on July 7, in a presidential-level meeting in Mexico, to make it legal and safe for Central American immigrants, including unaccompanied minors, to cross Mexico’s border with Guatemala and transit Mexico en route to the U.S. border at the Rio Grande.

The agreement apparently does not recognize that the result of such trips – entry into the United States – remains illegal.

But to facilitate the program, the Mexican government announced plans to issue a new “Regional Visitor Card” that will provide documentation for the Central Americans to remain in Mexico as long as it takes to get to the United States.

Under the auspices of a “Southern Border Program,” Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Guatemalan President Otto Pérez, in a meeting in Mexico, agreed to take five concrete steps designed to “protect and safeguard the human rights of migrants who enter and transit Mexico, so as to order international routes of passage [in and through Mexico] to increase and develop the security of the region.”​

Read more at Mexico, Guatemala fast-track delivery of illegals to U.S.

Holy ****... Not only is the most ridiculous article ever written, its ****ing a flat out lie of what the big bad scary "Southern Border Program" is about.
Do you know what the Southern Broder Program actually did? "It helped prevent a staggering 9,661 Honduran and 7,973 Guatemalan children from reaching the US – more than double compared with 2013. Almost 11,000 unaccompanied children, including 1,853 aged 11 or younger, were also apprehended by Mexican authorities.

Mexican officials say the new crackdown is designed to retake control of the historically porous southern frontier and protect migrants from transnational crime groups. But the measures have been widely attributed to pressure from the Americans, who do not want a repeat of last year’s crisis which clogged up the immigration courts and saw tens of thousands women and children crammed into detention centres at the border. Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort | World news | The Guardian

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Also since you included this link in your article, and also your World Net Daily (what a great bastion of journalism) included it as well lets address some of the substance in the translation: "the wearer can enter up to 72 hours to the states of Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco."
--Do you know where Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco are? I can tell you this much. Its nowhere near the ****ing US border....

Also do you know why its called the "Southern Border Program"? Because its in reference to the southern border of MEXICO not the southern border of the USA.... .

 

[Ganesh]

Trumps proposal to deport 11 million people is nonsense, and if attempted could unleash tremendous violence and division in the country, not to mention suffering among those targeted. It would encourage some of the more racist and criminally minded in the community, and bring back some aspects of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when another minority was chosen as a scapegoat for the nations problems.

It's the sort of knee jerk solution that appeals to minimal thinkers, but would come to grief for any number of reasons. Police are stretched thin as it is, and so we would likely see the National Guard, or perhaps regular army taking the brunt of the operation (great for the image of the US, by the way). Many of these folks are also Latinos. Are they going to go along, shoving perhaps friends or relatives in railway box cars, or behind barbed wire? And if they don't? Shoot outs in the street? Receiving countries may not take them. Why not, most of those countries have massive problems of their own, that's why people left. Then what, leave people in detention camps on the border indefinitely? Some families have both legal and illegal members. Split up the families, and leave dependent children alone? What happens to their property? Many, facing death or dire poverty if sent back, may go underground, and become a part of a criminal diaspora, or perhaps become pray for criminals themselves. Who's going to pay the hundreds of billions for the concentration camps, Mexican wall, and all the other costs of detection, detention and deportation?

And in fact, the US would be no further ahead even if all this nonsense could be carried off. Immigrants not only take jobs, they also create them, due to their need for services that they will pay for if they have a paycheck. That's why the US became more wealthy with waves of large scale immigration historically, not poorer. I can see where this appeals to neo-nazis, but others should use their noggan and think things through.

 

[ocean515]

:doh Ahh yes anything that proves your sources wrong is just a "progressive owned factcheck mil"... I love how you continue to rely on logical fallacies. But anyways since your soo worried about partisanship in sources why not use an openly far right wing source like the world net daily!
But ok! Lets get down to it!


Holy ****... Not only is the most ridiculous article ever written, its ****ing a flat out lie of what the big bad scary "Southern Border Program" is about.
Do you know what the Southern Broder Program actually did? "It helped prevent a staggering 9,661 Honduran and 7,973 Guatemalan children from reaching the US – more than double compared with 2013. Almost 11,000 unaccompanied children, including 1,853 aged 11 or younger, were also apprehended by Mexican authorities.

Mexican officials say the new crackdown is designed to retake control of the historically porous southern frontier and protect migrants from transnational crime groups. But the measures have been widely attributed to pressure from the Americans, who do not want a repeat of last year’s crisis which clogged up the immigration courts and saw tens of thousands women and children crammed into detention centres at the border. Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort | World news | The Guardian



Also since you included this link in your article, and also your World Net Daily (what a great bastion of journalism) included it as well lets address some of the substance in the translation: "the wearer can enter up to 72 hours to the states of Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco."
--Do you know where Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco are? I can tell you this much. Its nowhere near the ****ing US border....

Also do you know why its called the "Southern Border Program"? Because its in reference to the southern border of MEXICO not the southern border of the USA.... .

:lamo

The program provided safe passage through Mexico to the United States. I used WND because as they pointed out, the agreement was not carried by the vaunted MSM in the US. Prove to me the program wan't agreed to, and didn't ensure safe passage for a period long enough to reach the border of the US.

You obviously have no clue what is going on in Mexico, or with the illegal alien issue here in the US. I live in Southern California, and it's been decimated by illegal aliens. Why don't you explain to the Black Communities why you are so sympathetic to illegal aliens who are destroying them economically?

Oh, and one last bit of evidence in this poorly informed defense you're engaging in.

Mexican president 'indignant' at U.S. deportations | Reuters

Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto said he is "indignant" at the United States' deportation of Mexican migrants and described U.S. lawmakers as demonstrating a "lack of conscience" in failing to pass immigration reform.

"Yes it makes me indignant, and it makes Mexicans indignant," Pena Nieto said in the interview, when asked whether deportations angered him.

"There's a lack of conscience, something which shouldn't only alert and worry Mexicans, it should also worry the American government and they should take up the issue," said Pena Nieto.​

Guess what one of the largest sources of income is for Mexico? Any wonder why El Presidente is anxious to get his people across the border to steal jobs and exploit this country?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/02/03/world/americas/ap-lt-mexico-remittances.html?_r=0

MEXICO CITY — Remittances sent home by Mexicans living abroad rebounded by 7.8 percent last year after falling in 2013, Mexico's central bank said Tuesday.

Mexicans abroad sent home $23.6 billion in 2014, up from about $21.9 billion the year before. Remittances had dropped 3.7 percent in 2013 from the previous year.

Remittances are among Mexico's main sources of foreign income, along with oil exports.​

 

[TheDemSocialist]

:lamo

The program provided safe passage through Mexico to the United States. I used WND because as they pointed out, the agreement was not carried by the vaunted MSM in the US. Prove to me the program wan't agreed to, and didn't ensure safe passage for a period long enough to reach the border of the US.

It "provided safe passage"? Really? How did it "provide safe passage"? When, "helped prevent a staggering 9,661 Honduran and 7,973 Guatemalan children from reaching the US – more than double compared with 2013. Almost 11,000 unaccompanied children, including 1,853 aged 11 or younger, were also apprehended by Mexican authorities." Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort | World news | The Guardian

Where was their "safe passage"?

You obviously have no clue what is going on in Mexico, or with the illegal alien issue here in the US. I live in Southern California, and it's been decimated by illegal aliens. Why don't you explain to the Black Communities why you are so sympathetic to illegal aliens who are destroying them economically?

Oh boy! You live in Southern California! Gotta trust you know. Gotta trust your word that the Mexican government is sending people to the US, the "rapists and drug dealers", the whole shabang! :roll:

Oh, and one last bit of evidence in this poorly informed defense you're engaging in.

"My poorly informed defense" :lamo I forgot you live in Southern California so I gotta take yours and WND's word on it.
Also since I know nothing about Mexico or whatever, "Do you know where Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco are?", you forgot to answer that question...

Mexican president 'indignant' at U.S. deportations | Reuters

Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto said he is "indignant" at the United States' deportation of Mexican migrants and described U.S. lawmakers as demonstrating a "lack of conscience" in failing to pass immigration reform.

"Yes it makes me indignant, and it makes Mexicans indignant," Pena Nieto said in the interview, when asked whether deportations angered him.

"There's a lack of conscience, something which shouldn't only alert and worry Mexicans, it should also worry the American government and they should take up the issue," said Pena Nieto.​

This is considered proof/evidence to you that the Mexican government is sponsoring illegal immigration into the USA? You ****ing kidding me?

Guess what one of the largest sources of income is for Mexico?

"Largest sources of FOREIGN income"

Any wonder why El Presidente is anxious to get his people across the border to steal jobs and exploit this country?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/02/03/world/americas/ap-lt-mexico-remittances.html?_r=0

MEXICO CITY — Remittances sent home by Mexicans living abroad rebounded by 7.8 percent last year after falling in 2013, Mexico's central bank said Tuesday.

Mexicans abroad sent home $23.6 billion in 2014, up from about $21.9 billion the year before. Remittances had dropped 3.7 percent in 2013 from the previous year.

Remittances are among Mexico's main sources of foreign income, along with oil exports.​

This is proof that the Mexican government is sending illegal immigrants to Mexico? You have a really low standard of proof......
Do you know who else is a high remittance receiving country? France. Clearly the French government is sending its people around the world to "exploit other peoples countries" :roll:
Top-10 Remittance Receiving Countries by Country Income Group , 2013 | Pew Research Center
Also as percentage of the Mexican GDP its not even in the top 30.... http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPROSPECTS/Resources/334934-1199807908806/Top10.pdf

Again your standard of "proof" and "evidence" seems to be very low.

 

[Ganesh]

MEXICO CITY — Remittances sent home by Mexicans living abroad rebounded by 7.8 percent last year after falling in 2013, Mexico's central bank said Tuesday.

Mexicans abroad sent home $23.6 billion in 2014, up from about $21.9 billion the year before. Remittances had dropped 3.7 percent in 2013 from the previous year.

Remittances are among Mexico's main sources of foreign income, along with oil exports.​

Well, not really. Mexico has a 1.2 trillion dollar economy, and earns about 400 billion through exports. I'm sure Mexicans who receive these funds are glad to get them. So too those Americans who receive offshore funds from various tax dodges and corporate duplicity.

 

[ocean515]

It "provided safe passage"? Really? How did it "provide safe passage"? When, "helped prevent a staggering 9,661 Honduran and 7,973 Guatemalan children from reaching the US – more than double compared with 2013. Almost 11,000 unaccompanied children, including 1,853 aged 11 or younger, were also apprehended by Mexican authorities." Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort | World news | The Guardian

Where was their "safe passage"?


Oh boy! You live in Southern California! Gotta trust you know. Gotta trust your word that the Mexican government is sending people to the US, the "rapists and drug dealers", the whole shabang! :roll:


"My poorly informed defense" :lamo I forgot you live in Southern California so I gotta take yours and WND's word on it.
Also since I know nothing about Mexico or whatever, "Do you know where Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco are?", you forgot to answer that question...


This is considered proof/evidence to you that the Mexican government is sponsoring illegal immigration into the USA? You ****ing kidding me?



"Largest sources of FOREIGN income"


This is proof that the Mexican government is sending illegal immigrants to Mexico? You have a really low standard of proof......
Do you know who else is a high remittance receiving country? France. Clearly the French government is sending its people around the world to "exploit other peoples countries" :roll:
Top-10 Remittance Receiving Countries by Country Income Group , 2013 | Pew Research Center
Also as percentage of the Mexican GDP its not even in the top 30.... http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPROSPECTS/Resources/334934-1199807908806/Top10.pdf

Again your standard of "proof" and "evidence" seems to be very low.

The only thing you've established is your willingness to prove you dependence on propaganda is high.

"Prevented a staggering..." What a loaded bit of hyperbolic claptrap.

Here are the facts:

Southwest Border Unaccompanied Alien Children | U.S. Customs and Border Protection



Adios. You're welcome to your misinformation and dependence on propaganda. I have no interest in continuing to see evidence of it. Have a nice day.

 

[ocean515]

Well, not really. Mexico has a 1.2 trillion dollar economy, and earns about 400 billion through exports. I'm sure Mexicans who receive these funds are glad to get them. So too those Americans who receive offshore funds from various tax dodges and corporate duplicity.

Well, yes really.

And yes, I'm sure the Mexicans who receive remittances from illegals stealing from the US economy and sending it back to them are glad to receive it, as is the Mexican government, which explains it's outrage over talk of deportations. The fact is, citizens are sick and tired of them harming our economy and want to deport them back to the squalor they have created for themselves in Mexico.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

The only thing you've established is your willingness to prove you dependence on propaganda is high.

See, this is the thing. Anything that refutes your sources or your opinion you just play off as "propaganda" and that we should take your word on it as being described as "propaganda" and not trust it. This is called a logical fallacy.

"Prevented a staggering..." What a loaded bit of hyperbolic claptrap.

Again.

Here are the facts:

Southwest Border Unaccompanied Alien Children | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

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Where did I deny that the US border patrol has apprehended unaccompanied children? Can you point to where I did that?
Also the majority of these children came from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras... Not Mexico.. I thought this was about Mexico...

Adios. You're welcome to your misinformation and dependence on propaganda. I have no interest in continuing to see evidence of it. Have a nice day.

:lamo Do you know where Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco are?

 

[Ganesh]

Well, yes really.

And yes, I'm sure the Mexicans who receive remittances from illegals stealing from the US economy and sending it back to them are glad to receive it, as is the Mexican government, which explains it's outrage over talk of deportations. The fact is, citizens are sick and tired of them harming our economy and want to deport them back to the squalor they have created for themselves in Mexico.

Subtract what illegals add in the form of work done, services purchased, such as food, hardware, kid's clothes,etc, from what they "steal" and what you have, in relation to an $18 trillion dollar economy, is chump change.

It's true that there is an employment problem in the US, as there is in all advanced economies today, indeed it is worse in some places. But the problem is not illegals that are "stealing" jobs and harming the economy. If anything, it is your favored far right politicians, who are quite happy to see the workforce ever more squeezed, and ever more polarized, by the forces of globalization and technology, without any plan for the future.

There is a shortage of work, but more to the point there is a shortage of meaningful, well paid work. Advances today have replaced many of the former middle class, semi to moderately skilled, but relatively well paid jobs. There are still a small number of very lucrative careers at the very top, and plenty at the very bottom. The problem is the middle, and those are positions that unskilled migrants, with poor or no English skills, are simply not going to compete for. They end up at the bottom, and in fact often add to the profit margins of employers, who can cheat on wages and benefits due to the workers precarious position.

Few in authoritarian and corrupt countries have any say about policy, and certainly not those at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum. Illegals didn't "create" squalor in Mexico, any more than it was you personally that created Democrat policies in Washington.

 

[ocean515]

See, this is the thing. Anything that refutes your sources or your opinion you just play off as "propaganda" and that we should take your word on it as being described as "propaganda" and not trust it. This is called a logical fallacy.



Again.




Where did I deny that the US border patrol has apprehended unaccompanied children? Can you point to where I did that?
Also the majority of these children came from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras... Not Mexico.. I thought this was about Mexico...


:lamo Do you know where Campeche, Chiapas, Quintana Roo and Tabasco are?

Again, prevented a staggering, what, 10,000 people. 10's of thousands of people have come through Mexico, they are expecting another landslide of people.

CBP: 135 Unaccompanied Children Caught At U.S. Border Per Day in July

(CNSNews.com) - About 135 unaccompanied children, on average, were caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border each day in July, according to the latest data released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

That is a monthly record for unaccompanied children (UC) apprehensions so far in Fiscal Year 2015.

According to the updated numbers, 30,862 unaccompanied minors have been apprehended at the border so far in FY 2015, which began on Oct. 1. The CBP’s latest numbers run through July 31.

CNSNews.com previously reported that 26,685 unaccompanied children had been apprehended as of June 30, as CBP data showed at the time. This means another 4,177 were caught during the month of July alone, making it the month with the highest number of UC apprehensions so far in FY 2015.​

Wow, great program Mexico has initiated there. Perhaps they need to revisit their Southern Border effort.

BTW, I have driven from Los Angles to Acapulco. I have driven from Mexico City to Coatzacoalcos. So yes, I know where the Southern States are in Mexico. Ever been to Cancun?

 

[ocean515]

Subtract what illegals add in the form of work done, services purchased, such as food, hardware, kid's clothes,etc, from what they "steal" and what you have, in relation to an $18 trillion dollar economy, is chump change.

It's true that there is an employment problem in the US, as there is in all advanced economies today, indeed it is worse in some places. But the problem is not illegals that are "stealing" jobs and harming the economy. If anything, it is your favored far right politicians, who are quite happy to see the workforce ever more squeezed, and ever more polarized, by the forces of globalization and technology, without any plan for the future.

There is a shortage of work, but more to the point there is a shortage of meaningful, well paid work. Advances today have replaced many of the former middle class, semi to moderately skilled, but relatively well paid jobs. There are still a small number of very lucrative careers at the very top, and plenty at the very bottom. The problem is the middle, and those are positions that unskilled migrants, with poor or no English skills, are simply not going to compete for. They end up at the bottom, and in fact often add to the profit margins of employers, who can cheat on wages and benefits due to the workers precarious position.

Few in authoritarian and corrupt countries have any say about policy, and certainly not those at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum. Illegals didn't "create" squalor in Mexico, any more than it was you personally that created Democrat policies in Washington.

It is not chump change. What they cost is a massive drain on both Local, State, and Federal Governments. Any suggestion that it is not is nothing but fabrication from agenda driven activists.

The governments of these countries sending the most illegals are made up of the people who reside in those countries, and those governments are a reflection of the morals and values of the people who reside in those countries. The people in those countries have an absolute say in their governments, and what you see, is what they are willing to put up with.

Spare me the far right blather about politicians wanting cheap labor. What political party is responsible for the most recent immigration reform. Hint, it was signed in 1996. What party is most critical of Obama's immigration actions involving rewarding law breaking squatters who have been exploiting this country?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Again, prevented a staggering, what, 10,000 people. 10's of thousands of people have come through Mexico, they are expecting another landslide of people.

CBP: 135 Unaccompanied Children Caught At U.S. Border Per Day in July

(CNSNews.com) - About 135 unaccompanied children, on average, were caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border each day in July, according to the latest data released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

That is a monthly record for unaccompanied children (UC) apprehensions so far in Fiscal Year 2015.

According to the updated numbers, 30,862 unaccompanied minors have been apprehended at the border so far in FY 2015, which began on Oct. 1. The CBP’s latest numbers run through July 31.

CNSNews.com previously reported that 26,685 unaccompanied children had been apprehended as of June 30, as CBP data showed at the time. This means another 4,177 were caught during the month of July alone, making it the month with the highest number of UC apprehensions so far in FY 2015.​

Wow, great program Mexico has initiated there. Perhaps they need to revisit their Southern Border effort.

BTW, I have driven from Los Angles to Acapulco. I have driven from Mexico City to Coatzacoalcos. So yes, I know where the Southern States are in Mexico. Ever been to Cancun?

Again. This is not proof the Mexican government is actively sending people to the US.... You ignore almost all my points again.. Keep it up! :applaud

 

[ocean515]

Again. This is not proof the Mexican government is actively sending people to the US.... You ignore almost all my points again.. Keep it up! :applaud

LOL. If that is what you need to think, go for it. :funny