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Dateline Florida: Guns Win Again

calamity said:
4 more children dead. Yeay guns!

Gunman kills self, 4 child hostages after Florida standoff

When will this country finally learn?

The problem is the guns.
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Yep, a homicidal and suicidal person played no part in this story.

Perhaps not releasing known repeat criminals on probation would help:

Court records show Lindsey, 35, had an extensive criminal history involving arson, battery and theft. He was on probation for several charges including arson.
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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, a homicidal and suicidal person played no part in this story.
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Domestic violence case turns into mass murder---Something that almost always happens when there are guns.
 
Rucker61 said:
Go take them away yourself, then.
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Sounds like someone wants to barricade themselves in their apartment...strange fantasy.
 
calamity said:
Domestic violence case turns into mass murder---Something that almost always happens when there are guns.
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In the hands of known criminals, perhaps. BTW, do you have stats on DV leading to mass murder 'almost always' when a gun is involved?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
In the hands of known criminals, perhaps. BTW, do you have stats on DV leading to mass murder 'almost always' when a gun is involved?
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We certainly do not see cops shot and four children killed when there is not a gun involved :roll:
 
calamity said:
We certainly do not see cops shot and four children killed when there is not a gun involved :roll:
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True, yet there are many millions of guns in private hands and such cases are extremely rare.
 
calamity said:
4 more children dead. Yeay guns!

Gunman kills self, 4 child hostages after Florida standoff

When will this country finally learn?

The problem is the guns.
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Yep. The guy pulling the trigger is just a victim of NRA propaganda and had nothing to do with the shooting. Sir, I think you have found the undeniable underlying truth in the pursuit of eliminating gun violence. It will be a fine day in America when people can only commit violent acts with implements other than guns. Heck, once we get rid of guns maybe violence will cease altogether.
 
Bullseye said:
Yeah, every sane person that's their own kids hostage and kills them.
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I don't care what sane people do; the problem is too many guns falling into the hands of the insane. Or, are you OK with four dead kids?
 
Lutherf said:
Yep. The guy pulling the trigger is just a victim of NRA propaganda and had nothing to do with the shooting. Sir, I think you have found the undeniable underlying truth in the pursuit of eliminating gun violence. It will be a fine day in America when people can only commit violent acts with implements other than guns. Heck, once we get rid of guns maybe violence will cease altogether.
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No. The four dead kids are victims of NRA propaganda and the money they spend keeping rational gun laws at bay.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
True, yet there are many millions of guns in private hands and such cases are extremely rare.
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not that rare.

10,000 gun homicides a year is not rare. That's roughly 30 a day.
 
calamity said:
Sounds like someone wants to barricade themselves in their apartment...strange fantasy.
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What about all of the children drowned, strangled or smothered by crazy parents? Evidently grownups don't need guns to kill young children.
 
Rucker61 said:
What about all of the children drowned, strangled or smothered by crazy parents? Evidently grownups don't need guns to kill young children.
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Do those parents shoot cops and hold them at bay while they kill their kids?

Answer:: No they ****ing do not!
 
calamity said:
I don't care what sane people do; the problem is too many guns falling into the hands of the insane. Or, are you OK with four dead kids?
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Don't go playing that bull**** on me. This guy was a repeat criminal, apparently angry with his girl friend. Exactly the type that shouldn't be allowed access to guns.
 
calamity said:
No. The four dead kids are victims of NRA propaganda and the money they spend keeping rational gun laws at bay.
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Please explain what rational law would have prevented this killer from getting a gun.

Please explain how a grown man couldn't have used his hands or blunt instruments from killing these four children.
 
calamity said:
Domestic violence case turns into mass murder---Something that almost always happens when there are guns.
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You have something to back that up?
 
calamity said:
not that rare.

10,000 gun homicides a year is not rare. That's roughly 30 a day.
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And somewhere around half the homicides involve guns. 100% involve homicidal nut jobs.

What do you propose to do about the part that don't involve guns?
 
calamity said:
Do those parents shoot cops and hold them at bay while they kill their kids?

Answer:: No they ****ing do not!
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They still kill their own kids.

"Close to three-quarters (72 percent) of the children killed were age 6 or younger. One-third were infants (children less than 1 year of age). Only about 10 percent of children killed were between ages 7 and 18. Adult offspring were the balance of the victims. Male children were more likely to be killed (58.3 percent) than female children. About 11 percent of victims were stepchildren, which is on the low end of the estimated proportion of U.S. children (10-20 percent) who live with a stepparent.

The researchers found that the most common method of killing was with “personal weapons,” such as by the beating, choking, or drowning of victims. Parents used these means in 69 percent of murders of infants."

https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide

Maybe it's homicidal parents who are the problem.
 
It didnt say he shot the kids.

The cops were there for hours...didnt hear him shoot anybody.
 
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