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I see some of the people opposed to the presence of the Ten Commandments here are the same ones fighting for women to be able to walk around topless in another thread. Why don't you take your own advice? If you don't like them then don't look at them.
The problem with Christians is that if you give them an inch they take a mile. First it's just an innocent little poster, then they start preaching in the hallways and calling the children sinners, then they start demanding schools teach creationism, then they rewrite the history books, then the next thing you know our tax dollars are supporting a religion. No, I think it's better to nip them in the bud so to speak and not allow them to get a foothold in the door in the first place.
Because according to you this country was founded on Christianity and had a great influence in writing the Constitution and yet there is no mention of it whatsoever. Don't you think thats odd?
My point was and still is that this country was not founded on Christianity. The fact that there is no mention of it in the constution except to provide a wall of separation more than validates this fact, but if you want more proof........
Signed into law by co-author of the Declaration of Indepence and founding father, President John Adams.
It was founded on Christian ideals. It's a pity that children are being raised without any understanding of their heritage.
Exactly. Because of our nation's Christian history and heritage, non-Christian school children should be required to learn Christianity.
Exactly. Because of our nation's Christian history and heritage, non-Christian school children should be required to learn Christianity.
No, I don't. What would be the purpose?
It was founded on Christian ideals. It's a pity that children are being raised without any understanding of their heritage. This "why isn't God mentioned in the Constitution" argument is frequently mentioned by Leftists as a sort of 'gotcha', but in fact it means nothing.
The confusion just over that one line in the Constitution strongly suggests that there is a lack of education and understanding about what made America so outstanding in world history, and why it became the symbol of freedom throughout the world. Now that freedom they once enjoyed is disappearing and that is largely the result of the American education system not teaching their students about their own history, or why it was tyhat made America special.
This was a sop to the Muslims of the day, just as is often done now. It's not wise to take these lines with tyrannical Muslims too seriously, though many of those who want to minimize the influence of Christianity on western democracies certainly do.
The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man (Letter to J. Moor, 1800).
The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion (Letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800).
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes (Letter to von Humboldt, 1813).
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own (Letter to H. Spafford, 1814).
This country was not founded on "Christian ideals" no matter how much clowns like David Barton claim it was.
The Treaty of Tripoli was a "sop to Muslims"? It was a treaty of peace between two nations.
Judeo-Christian Values have a foundational role in America, beginning with the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."
Since the pursuit of happiness, as Sigmund Freud surmised, is tied to human love and to creative work and play, the principles of American Judeo-Christian Values can rightly be summarized as the honoring of God-given Life, Liberty and Creativity. This seed of American Social Justice was then fleshed out in the U.S. Constitution through reason and common sense, unencumbered by the dysfunctional religious and secular traditions and laws of Old Europe.
Our Founding Fathers separated church from state, but they wisely did not separate God from state; they acknowledged God as the source of our rights, and, in fact, they were careful to place Biblical morality directly into our founding documents and laws, and into our values and culture precisely to help prevent a future of totalitarian or tyrannical rule in America. The combination of keeping Judeo-Christian religious morality in the state, as opposed to the church it's self; and, additionally, setting up our laws based on reason and common sense has contributed to the American Character, and to what is known as "American Exceptionalism."
Archived-Articles: The Judeo-Christian Values of America
Yeah, okay you've convinced me.
That was in reference to a specific line in the treaty which, coming in late, you didn't notice.
Right, whoever bought the poster, assuming it was perchised with tax money at all, can take the $5 out of the taxes I paid, not the taxes you paid.Not mine.
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Right, whoever bought the poster, assuming it was perchised with tax money at all, can take the $5 out of the taxes I paid, not the taxes you paid.
When I can opt-out of paying for the invasion of Iraq, then maybe that'll be an option, too. Either way, though, the government has no business trying to run churches.
So hanging a poster of the ten commandments for you is tantamount to making war on a country?....Wow.
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Did I say that, or are you making stuff up? Point is, you can't pick and choose what taxes you want to pay. If you could, I wouldn't pay for invading Iraq.
Either way, though, running establishments for the proselytization, practice, and teaching of religion isn't the government's job. That's what churches are here for, not what governments are here for. If you think the churches aren't doing a good enough job, then start some new churches . . . don't ask the government to do it for you.
As far as I understand it was a student that hung the poster.
And I wonder why it is that those people that bring such stupid cases are so afraid of seeing the words on a poster hung in a hallway?
Because they value religious liberty.
What I wonder is why some people want the government to teach their kids about god, instead of having their church do it. Why do they think the government would be better at it?
but no one has said they want the government teaching religion. And that isn't what has happened here.
A decorative laminated piece of paper hanging on a wall is not a church. Geez you people can be so stupid. It's a poster, there's nothing to "run". It just sits there. And you don't know tax money was used to buy it anyway.When I can opt-out of paying for the invasion of Iraq, then maybe that'll be an option, too. Either way, though, the government has no business trying to run churches.
A decorative laminated piece of paper hanging on a wall is not a church. Geez you people can be so stupid. It's a poster, there's nothing to "run". It just sits there. And you don't know tax money was used to buy it anyway.
A decorative laminated piece of paper hanging on a wall is not a church. Geez you people can be so stupid. It's a poster, there's nothing to "run". It just sits there. And you don't know tax money was used to buy it anyway.
It was a cultural vestige of the people, just like Spanish Catholic missionaries and greek goddesses on various state seals.What was the purpose of the poster? Why did they hang it on the wall of the school?
It was a cultural vestige of the people, just like Spanish Catholic missionaries and greek goddesses on various state seals.
Private religious schools receive federal funding too. A lot of federal funding. The difference between "public" and "private" is who's in charge of running the school, not where the money comes from.Public schools = religious-neutral.
Private schools = religious
Why does everything have to be even remotely showing of religion - can't people who are religious go for even a short amount of time without it around? is it really that big of a deal to everyone to just not have it there?
This encroaches on the topic of 'witnessing to the masses' - we all know what it means *to* religious people . . . it's a way for 'the message to get out' - well: some of us don't want to have to hear it. :shrug:
But I push the opposite direction: I push for a display of all sorts of religious-sayings: why not. . . some Buddhist dogma, some Catholicism, some Judaism, some Hinduism, Voodoo, Paganism . . . so on, so forth. Why not? I think a display encorporating important symbolism from all religions is the only way to be fair if you permit even one be given any sort of representation.
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