Imagine being hauled into a police station from a demonstration and being subjected to a full body search. You're then kept in a cell with limited access to a lawyer. Custody can be a very harsh experience in France, and the system has raised eyebrows in the European Union...
The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) sentenced Thursday, Oct. 14, France in a matter of custody, as affirmed by France Info. European judges have found that persons in custody should have access to a lawyer from the beginning of the procedure and during all interviews and insisted that is respected the right of a suspect to remain silent. "French law does not meet the requirements of fair trial," they write.
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Over 790 000 cases of custody was decided in 2009, more than 170,000 for traffic offenses only.
Of course no charges will come it was done to intimidate those with good reason to object to racist fascist scum that is The EDL and I know can not be proven but also a propaganda victory for the far right..
"Lenin said if you want to create change, you first have to convince people that where we are now is untenable."
Never have I seen an organization so doomed to fail as the European Union. Europe might have had a chance going their separate ways after the Cold War, but in forcing themselves to try and work as one supernation, they've doomed themselves to another European war sometime in the near future.
France24 - France reforms tough custody laws
Garde vue : la Cour europenne des droits de l'homme condamne Paris - LeMonde.fr
(couldn't find an English article: the translation above is from Google Translate)
Thank you ECHR for taking better care of French citizens' rights than France itself!
I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.Never have I seen an organization so doomed to fail as the European Union. Europe might have had a chance going their separate ways after the Cold War, but in forcing themselves to try and work as one supernation, they've doomed themselves to another European war sometime in the near future.
I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.
My personal observation that Europeans have never gotten along, ever, in all of history, and that trying to force them to can do nothing but end in disaster.And you base this on what exactly?
If the people of the United States, mostly of a common historical and cultural heritage and common language were doomed to an Earth-shattering civil war, I don't see why Europe won't get away scot-free. A single people with a few glaring points of conflict is hardly the exact same thing as trying to force 27 radically different peoples to become one country.I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.
I don't even think that Europeans want it, to be honest. Hence, the eventual European superwar.For me, I like Europe sans the EU because it is an incredibly diverse place.
The different national identities, languages, everything.
Would we really want to make it more cookie cutter/homogenized, like the U.S. is?
I don't think so.
I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.
My personal observation that Europeans have never gotten along, ever, in all of history, and that trying to force them to can do nothing but end in disaster.
If the people of the United States, mostly of a common historical and cultural heritage and common language were doomed to an Earth-shattering civil war, I don't see why Europe won't get away scot-free. A single people with a few glaring points of conflict is hardly the exact same thing as trying to force 27 radically different peoples to become one country.
I don't even think that Europeans want it, to be honest. Hence, the eventual European superwar.
And what's more, the USA had to start from virtual scratch. The component states of the USA were never former nations.
Component states of the United States of Europe will need to have their individual cultures and customs wiped away or marginalised for the New Order to stamp its mark.
Hence all that rubbish about the EU flag having the same legal primacy as flags of nation states, its own anthem and regal parades at the EU Parliament opening, plus all the rest of the cultural cobblers.
Are you saying that "God save the Queen" is a nonsense national anthem?
The words to Jerusalem are a steaming pile. I think the NA should be the instrumental theme from The Archers as suggested by Billy Connolly.
YouTube - Billy Connelly : National Anthem
You're delusional. The lyrics to Jerusalem are great! Why would we take any notice of Connolly? A) He's a Scot and they have their own NA - another dirge, Oh Flower of Scotland, Y'll bide a wee... and B) He's a tax exile, so he really doesn't care much about the nation anyway.
Besides, what's wrong with calling for your arrows of desire and chariot of fire?
You understand that Jerusalem is based upon the misconception that Jesus once visited England and is a metaphor for making England a Christian paradise on earth? Where have I heard that sort of thing before?
Why on earth would we want to turn England into the political ****hole that Jerusalem has become?
Besides which, Scottish or not, BC is a comedy legend
Actually they technically were.
o you are saying that there is not different traditions within the US?
Even from the early parts of US history there was language differences and too day
That is like saying the Union Jack has no legality since Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and England are separate nations and so on.
Each country chooses democratically what it wants to get into...
Again no one is forcing anyone to become one country. A single European country at this time is a pipe dream that is impossible.
No one is forcing anyone. Each country chooses democratically what it wants to get into... either directly or indirectly via an elected government. That is your first mistake.
As for "not getting along".. yea we have 3000 years of history behind us, so of course there will be issues.
Germany use to be many "kingdoms" and now is a country. Same with France and same with England. And no they did not all speak the same language. And yet there has not been a war in Europe between nations since WW2... the EU has a lot to do with that fact. That was your second mistake.
Again no one is forcing anyone to become one country. A single European country at this time is a pipe dream that is impossible. So even suggesting that the EU is even remotely some sort of "country" is idiotic. It is nothing but fear-mongering if you ask me.
Switch out European and American, and you have what you have in the US today. The US right is gunning for a civil war it seems since it is using any and all methods to target its political opponents including having celebrities "suggest" targeting political opponents with violence.
PeteEU
"Indirectly" appears to be m ore common.
""Issues"??? Millions of people were butchered, genocide committed on unheard of scales and you dismiss these horrors as "issues". 'Issues' has already lost its trendiness, by the way.
The claim that there has never been another war in Europe since WWII is, of course, false.
You're ignoring the entire eastern half of the continent as well as Bosnia specifically and moore recently, and long term terrorism as well.
The EU had nothing whatsoever to do with maintaining peace in Europe. Nothing at all. American forces stationed there did.
So the EU doesn't have a "President"?
Whatever are you on about here? Fear mongering? Have you been watching the BBC again??
Just as your politicians run your country for your sake.. aka indirectly
At least we in Europe have referendums on joining the EU and changes .. for the most part.
Not seen any referendum on the US joining NAFTA or similar./QUOTE]
We voted to join NAFTA and a damn good thing it was and is.
3000+ years of history... what do you expect? Europe is hardly the only place on the planet with such "horrors"
Name another place on the planet then that has a bloodier history than Europe. Can you think of any??
it is just the most well know since modern civilization is based from Europe. The "horrors" done in China over the last 4000 years dwarf that of Europe btw, but they are not as well known.
No, they are not as well known, for sure, but when the Chinese adopted Communism, another incredibly and unforgivably stupid idea by the Europeans, the results are well known. Forty million dead is it, in China alone?
I said between countries...and that is not false. Well with the exception of Russia and Georgia come to think of it, but they have zero to do with the EU.
Oh.My apologies. So it's your claim that members of the EU have managed to stay at peace with each other lately only because of the EU. But you will admit to some internal struggles within these members states. And you apparently believe that the more countries there are admitted to the EU that the more peace will spread? is that your take?
Not part of the EU for one. Bosnia was civil war, not between nations. And as fir "the entire eastern half of the continent".. what countries other than Russia and Georgia have been at war?
My point was, and continues to be, that Europe is a mess and a danger to the world. They appear to have learned nothing from history, especially their own history, and seem doomed to repeat it. Your simplistic idea that belonging to the EU will somehow transform the continent into a place of good will and free trade is as ludicrous as any other scheme Europeans have come up in the last 100 years. And while embracing each other in this Kumbaya moment, those who you've been at war with for as long ad human memory exists, you've also alienated your old friends, as though trashing your former Allies was a prerequisite to EU membership. This was a huge error over the long term.
HAHAHAH, yea right. I am not denying that US forces played their part in holding back the Soviet empire
Then what are you laughing at?
but for 2000 years European wars have been over political and economic issues.
Too true! And with those "political issues" enjoying some odd twists.
There was almost no year in European history prior to WW2 that there was not a war of some sort in Europe.
Yes. we know. We lost hundreds of thousands of good men and women in European created wars.
With the EU we had a method to discuss and solve BOTH, something we have not had before. Hence the major European players in the UK, France and Germany plus the semi big political players of Holland, Belgium, Italy, Austria and so on have not been at war with each other for over 50 years and that is a first in European history. And the EU has a huge part in that.
The EU had nothing to do with that. American (and Canadian) forces did. You can sign all the treaties and agreements you choose to, and have throughout history, and they'll always eventually be ignored. A missile base cannot.
In title yes.. in power.. hell no.. he is nothing but a glorified office manager. He can comment all he wants on policy and make a fool of himself, but in reality he has zero power.
Then why have him there? This is just another example of how bureaucratic and inefficient the EU is. It's all about symbolism. But what happens when this bureaucracy gains power, and unlimited power? I doubt this position will remain a symbol for long. It's there for a reason.
No, American tv like Fox News and right wing blogs.
You watch Fox News? Great! Who is your favorite, and least favorite commentator?
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