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Custody: the European Court of Human Rights condemns Paris

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Imagine being hauled into a police station from a demonstration and being subjected to a full body search. You're then kept in a cell with limited access to a lawyer. Custody can be a very harsh experience in France, and the system has raised eyebrows in the European Union...

France24 - France reforms tough custody laws




The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) sentenced Thursday, Oct. 14, France in a matter of custody, as affirmed by France Info. European judges have found that persons in custody should have access to a lawyer from the beginning of the procedure and during all interviews and insisted that is respected the right of a suspect to remain silent. "French law does not meet the requirements of fair trial," they write.

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Over 790 000 cases of custody was decided in 2009, more than 170,000 for traffic offenses only.

Garde vue : la Cour europenne des droits de l'homme condamne Paris - LeMonde.fr
(couldn't find an English article: the translation above is from Google Translate)







Thank you ECHR for taking better care of French citizens' rights than France itself!
 
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Oo yeah, I'm sure the likes of Sarkozy will feel France has been set straight by paragons of justice and virtue.

Indeed, with the ECHR's record of lunacy and meddling, perhaps the French will ignore the ruling in the same way they ignore EU legislation they don't like.


Death penalty victory in European court for Iraqi murder suspects « UK Human Rights Blog

BBC News - Stop-and-search powers ruled illegal by European court

You tell 'em: Colombia criticizes European Court of Human Rights for barring extradition of terrorist suspect over (flimsy?) torture concerns

TheOPINIONATOR: EU Human Rights Court Nixes Extradition of Islamic Terrorists because USA Prisons are Prisons

https://www.unodc.org/tldb/en/case-...urt-of-human-rights-related-to-terrorism.html

Al-Qaeda bomb plot pair cannot be deported, court rules - Telegraph

Beloved of terrorists: Jailed Islamic extremists want ban on women prison officers - mirror.co.uk


Human Rights Act is a law for ne'er-do-wells - Telegraph




European Court to DISCIPLINE the UK for smacking children! - A different collection of imposing charlatans this one, but what's the damn difference?!

Italy seeks to overturn European "Human Rights" meddling




And what can happen during a 'protest' nowadays?

G8 activists turn peaceful demo into riot - Times Online

London G20 Protest Riots – RBS Attacked, Mounted Riot Police Respond | Webologist

Race riot flared after Muslims were urged to confront right-wing protests - Times Online

Police pelted with bricks and bottles as London mosque protests turn violent - Telegraph , etc.



And one of my favourites: WEYMAN BENNETT ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT VIOLENT DISORDER - along with nearly 80 of his stormtroopers!


Of course no charges will come it was done to intimidate those with good reason to object to racist fascist scum that is The EDL and I know can not be proven but also a propaganda victory for the far right..

Nothing to do with the UAF attacking the police cordon then!
 
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Never have I seen an organization so doomed to fail as the European Union. Europe might have had a chance going their separate ways after the Cold War, but in forcing themselves to try and work as one supernation, they've doomed themselves to another European war sometime in the near future.
 

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Well, I don't think that, but certainly jamming themselves to destruction. Maybe citizens will bring down governments as they did at the end of the Cold War. But such would be many decades away yet.

This synthetic supra-national government, synthetic identity and culture and legal system, etc, just subdues individuality. It prevents nations from going their own way by the wishes of the people and re-enforces the divide between the rulers and the ruled. Especially when all this was done without the consent which was promised as necessary.
 
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Well, bless my anti-Left Wing soul: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...rderers-and-terrorists-remain-unmolested.html


The man who once boasted that Lenin's bust adorned his desk, for 'inspiration', is truly enjoying the Europe-wide destruction of nation-states. I suppose this is a kind-of inverted anarchy. And as usual in anarchy, the People suffer when morality and order are put upside-down.


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"Lenin said if you want to create change, you first have to convince people that where we are now is untenable."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/feb/23/trevor-phillips-diversity


Yes Trevor. Political Correctness is all about that golden rule of Marxism. Lies and subversion are the tools Marxists use to hoodwink the Public, tell them they're wrong, that their country is wrong and that everything is falling to bits. Over the years it's overturned and destroyed decent traditional values and replaced them with phoney, re-written ones. And it led us straight to the EU, unstable societies and situations where prison inmates can often enjoy safer and more secure lives than old age pensioners.
 
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Never have I seen an organization so doomed to fail as the European Union. Europe might have had a chance going their separate ways after the Cold War, but in forcing themselves to try and work as one supernation, they've doomed themselves to another European war sometime in the near future.

And you base this on what exactly?
 

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Never have I seen an organization so doomed to fail as the European Union. Europe might have had a chance going their separate ways after the Cold War, but in forcing themselves to try and work as one supernation, they've doomed themselves to another European war sometime in the near future.
I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.
 

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I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.

For me, I like Europe sans the EU because it is an incredibly diverse place.
The different national identities, languages, everything.

Would we really want to make it more cookie cutter/homogenized, like the U.S. is?
I don't think so.
 

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European cooperation is of most value when it addresses examples such as that mentioned in the OP. Attempting to ensure that all European states offer the same minimum degree of justice to its citizens sin't a bad aim. I'm not sure what Patria is dribbling on about. This thread has nothing to do with the EU. Read the OP! We are discussing the European Court of Human Rights, which has nothing to do with the EU, but was created by the Convention on Human Rights, which has 47 nations as signatories (i.e. 20 more than the EU).

Bringing the EU into the discussion is seriously attempting to derail the thread.
 
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And you base this on what exactly?
My personal observation that Europeans have never gotten along, ever, in all of history, and that trying to force them to can do nothing but end in disaster.
I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.
If the people of the United States, mostly of a common historical and cultural heritage and common language were doomed to an Earth-shattering civil war, I don't see why Europe won't get away scot-free. A single people with a few glaring points of conflict is hardly the exact same thing as trying to force 27 radically different peoples to become one country.
For me, I like Europe sans the EU because it is an incredibly diverse place.
The different national identities, languages, everything.

Would we really want to make it more cookie cutter/homogenized, like the U.S. is?
I don't think so.
I don't even think that Europeans want it, to be honest. Hence, the eventual European superwar.
 

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That's right, we didn't want it. The now-European Union was touted as a mere trading bloc for many years, though insiders at top levels of government always knew the real agenda.

The Treaty of Rome's first page, we're told, had the summarised final goal of the European Union for all to see. And to display their hubris and arrogance, the EUrophiles look contemptuously at the Public and say, 'well if only you read all the documents (instead of believing us) you would have actually known what was in store for you'.

I've even had that on this very board.


European Union - Can We Leave? EU Leaders want a Federal Europe
 

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I've never understood a lot of the growling about the EU, least of all from people in the US. The EU is going through what the US originally went through, the same process is taking place and yes it's rough. But I would think people in the US would applaud this kind of growth.

If the EU was truly wanting their own version of the US they could adopt provisions of the US Constitution and give more power to the individual. This will never happen.

The bureaucracy will perform like a monarchy, which many look forward to if they feel they can't run their own lives properly. The same theory holds true for those who advocated Communism or more Socialism. The Left live their lives in fear, and feel they need strong government to care for them. The H.L. Mencken quote on Patria Antiqua's page cover this nicely.
 

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And what's more, the USA had to start from virtual scratch. The component states of the USA were never former nations.

Component states of the United States of Europe will need to have their individual cultures and customs wiped away or marginalised for the New Order to stamp its mark.

Hence all that rubbish about the EU flag having the same legal primacy as flags of nation states, its own anthem and regal parades at the EU Parliament opening, plus all the rest of the cultural cobblers.
 

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My personal observation that Europeans have never gotten along, ever, in all of history, and that trying to force them to can do nothing but end in disaster.

No one is forcing anyone. Each country chooses democratically what it wants to get into... either directly or indirectly via an elected government. That is your first mistake.

As for "not getting along".. yea we have 3000 years of history behind us, so of course there will be issues. Germany use to be many "kingdoms" and now is a country. Same with France and same with England. And no they did not all speak the same language. And yet there has not been a war in Europe between nations since WW2... the EU has a lot to do with that fact. That was your second mistake.

If the people of the United States, mostly of a common historical and cultural heritage and common language were doomed to an Earth-shattering civil war, I don't see why Europe won't get away scot-free. A single people with a few glaring points of conflict is hardly the exact same thing as trying to force 27 radically different peoples to become one country.

Again no one is forcing anyone to become one country. A single European country at this time is a pipe dream that is impossible. So even suggesting that the EU is even remotely some sort of "country" is idiotic. It is nothing but fear-mongering if you ask me.

I don't even think that Europeans want it, to be honest. Hence, the eventual European superwar.

Switch out European and American, and you have what you have in the US today. The US right is gunning for a civil war it seems since it is using any and all methods to target its political opponents including having celebrities "suggest" targeting political opponents with violence.
 

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And what's more, the USA had to start from virtual scratch. The component states of the USA were never former nations.

Actually they technically were.

Component states of the United States of Europe will need to have their individual cultures and customs wiped away or marginalised for the New Order to stamp its mark.

LOL yea right. So you are saying that there is not different traditions within the US? And how about languages? Even from the early parts of US history there was language differences and too day... Spanish will soon be more common than English.

Hence all that rubbish about the EU flag having the same legal primacy as flags of nation states, its own anthem and regal parades at the EU Parliament opening, plus all the rest of the cultural cobblers.

Rubbish is what you wrote. That is like saying the Union Jack has no legality since Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and England are separate nations and so on. Are you saying that "God save the Queen" is a nonsense national anthem?
 
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Are you saying that "God save the Queen" is a nonsense national anthem?

It's certainly a very poor one. What a dirge! Personally, I'd prefer one that actually mentioned the nation. When asked, most people express a desire to change the NA for Jerusalem.

 

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The words to Jerusalem are a steaming pile. I think the NA should be the instrumental theme from The Archers as suggested by Billy Connolly.

YouTube - Billy Connelly : National Anthem

You're delusional. The lyrics to Jerusalem are great! Why would we take any notice of Connolly? A) He's a Scot and they have their own NA - another dirge, Oh Flower of Scotland, Y'll bide a wee... and B) He's a tax exile, so he really doesn't care much about the nation anyway.

Besides, what's wrong with calling for your arrows of desire and chariot of fire?
 

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You're delusional. The lyrics to Jerusalem are great! Why would we take any notice of Connolly? A) He's a Scot and they have their own NA - another dirge, Oh Flower of Scotland, Y'll bide a wee... and B) He's a tax exile, so he really doesn't care much about the nation anyway.

Besides, what's wrong with calling for your arrows of desire and chariot of fire?

You understand that Jerusalem is based upon the misconception that Jesus once visited England and is a metaphor for making England a Christian paradise on earth? Where have I heard that sort of thing before?

Why on earth would we want to turn England into the political ****hole that Jerusalem has become?

Besides which, Scottish or not, BC is a comedy legend (I agree that Flower of Scotland is an awful dirge though!)
 
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You understand that Jerusalem is based upon the misconception that Jesus once visited England and is a metaphor for making England a Christian paradise on earth? Where have I heard that sort of thing before?

Why on earth would we want to turn England into the political ****hole that Jerusalem has become?

You're almost right. It is a metaphor for creating a socialist paradise in England. It's not talking about the real Jerusalem, btw.

Besides which, Scottish or not, BC is a comedy legend

If using the word jobbie counts as comedy genius, I guess he is.
 

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Actually they technically were.

I don't recall learning the history of Virginia or Texas goes all the way back, past the Middle Ages, Vikings, Romans and all the way back to the neolithic!


o you are saying that there is not different traditions within the US?

No. But when the USA was structured, it needed unifying. European nations have long been unified, plus so diverse in their own cultures that any 'common' European standards have to be imposed.



Even from the early parts of US history there was language differences and too day

I look forward to all other European languages being abolished and English being the prime EU tongue. If we have to be like the USA (though only when our masters choose), let's make the common language one I can do, eh Pete!



That is like saying the Union Jack has no legality since Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and England are separate nations and so on.

No, that is saying that the EU flag and theme music 'package' was created through detached committee and imposed, rather than adopted by populations who take them to their hearts and have united in national pride under them.





Each country chooses democratically what it wants to get into...

No, GOVERNMENTS have decided and stuff the public. Indeed, Lisbon referenda have been notable in their absence across Barroso's 'empire', which is what to expect from an organisation wanting Europe to become a 'superstate' no matter what. (The bloody thing has its own 'foreign office' now!)


Again no one is forcing anyone to become one country. A single European country at this time is a pipe dream that is impossible.

Our governments are. The EU has influence and primacy over our legal affairs, foreign affairs, financial affairs, trading matters (ever since the silly New Zealand butter row) and armed forces. When a nation signs away its right to run itself, it becomes a province.

And anyway, you said yourself that the superstate dream was printed on the very first page of the Treaty of Rome!


Barroso hails the European 'empire' - Telegraph

So as Ireland votes 'yes' to Lisbon treaty, our 1000 years of history ends like this | Mail Online
 
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No one is forcing anyone. Each country chooses democratically what it wants to get into... either directly or indirectly via an elected government. That is your first mistake.

"Indirectly" appears to be m ore common.
As for "not getting along".. yea we have 3000 years of history behind us, so of course there will be issues.

""Issues"??? Millions of people were butchered, genocide committed on unheard of scales and you dismiss these horrors as "issues". 'Issues' has already lost its trendiness, by the way.

Germany use to be many "kingdoms" and now is a country. Same with France and same with England. And no they did not all speak the same language. And yet there has not been a war in Europe between nations since WW2... the EU has a lot to do with that fact. That was your second mistake.

The claim that there has never been another war in Europe since WWII is, of course, false. You're ignoring the entire eastern half of the continent as well as Bosnia specifically and moore recently, and long term terrorism as well. The EU had nothing whatsoever to do with maintaining peace in Europe. Nothing at all. American forces stationed there did.

Again no one is forcing anyone to become one country. A single European country at this time is a pipe dream that is impossible. So even suggesting that the EU is even remotely some sort of "country" is idiotic. It is nothing but fear-mongering if you ask me.

So the EU doesn't have a "President"?

Switch out European and American, and you have what you have in the US today. The US right is gunning for a civil war it seems since it is using any and all methods to target its political opponents including having celebrities "suggest" targeting political opponents with violence.

Whatever are you on about here? Fear mongering? Have you been watching the BBC again??
 

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"Indirectly" appears to be m ore common.

Just as your politicians run your country for your sake.. aka indirectly. At least we in Europe have referendums on joining the EU and changes .. for the most part. Not seen any referendum on the US joining NAFTA or similar.. /shrug

""Issues"??? Millions of people were butchered, genocide committed on unheard of scales and you dismiss these horrors as "issues". 'Issues' has already lost its trendiness, by the way.

3000+ years of history... what do you expect? Europe is hardly the only place on the planet with such "horrors", it is just the most well know since modern civilization is based from Europe. The "horrors" done in China over the last 4000 years dwarf that of Europe btw, but they are not as well known.

The claim that there has never been another war in Europe since WWII is, of course, false.

I said between countries...and that is not false. Well with the exception of Russia and Georgia come to think of it, but they have zero to do with the EU.

You're ignoring the entire eastern half of the continent as well as Bosnia specifically and moore recently, and long term terrorism as well.

Not part of the EU for one. Bosnia was civil war, not between nations. And as fir "the entire eastern half of the continent".. what countries other than Russia and Georgia have been at war?

The EU had nothing whatsoever to do with maintaining peace in Europe. Nothing at all. American forces stationed there did.

HAHAHAH, yea right. I am not denying that US forces played their part in holding back the Soviet empire, but for 2000 years European wars have been over political and economic issues. There was almost no year in European history prior to WW2 that there was not a war of some sort in Europe. With the EU we had a method to discuss and solve BOTH, something we have not had before. Hence the major European players in the UK, France and Germany plus the semi big political players of Holland, Belgium, Italy, Austria and so on have not been at war with each other for over 50 years and that is a first in European history. And the EU has a huge part in that.

So the EU doesn't have a "President"?

In title yes.. in power.. hell no.. he is nothing but a glorified office manager. He can comment all he wants on policy and make a fool of himself, but in reality he has zero power.

Whatever are you on about here? Fear mongering? Have you been watching the BBC again??

No, American tv like Fox News and right wing blogs.
 

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Just as your politicians run your country for your sake.. aka indirectly

No, we elect our politicians directly.
At least we in Europe have referendums on joining the EU and changes .. for the most part.

It's well you added "for the most part". How's that goofy EU Constitution thing coming along? Still voting until you make the right decision?
Not seen any referendum on the US joining NAFTA or similar./QUOTE]

We voted to join NAFTA and a damn good thing it was and is.

3000+ years of history... what do you expect? Europe is hardly the only place on the planet with such "horrors"

Name another place on the planet then that has a bloodier history than Europe. Can you think of any??

it is just the most well know since modern civilization is based from Europe. The "horrors" done in China over the last 4000 years dwarf that of Europe btw, but they are not as well known.

No, they are not as well known, for sure, but when the Chinese adopted Communism, another incredibly and unforgivably stupid idea by the Europeans, the results are well known. Forty million dead is it, in China alone?

I said between countries...and that is not false. Well with the exception of Russia and Georgia come to think of it, but they have zero to do with the EU.

Oh.My apologies. So it's your claim that members of the EU have managed to stay at peace with each other lately only because of the EU. But you will admit to some internal struggles within these members states. And you apparently believe that the more countries there are admitted to the EU that the more peace will spread? is that your take?

Not part of the EU for one. Bosnia was civil war, not between nations. And as fir "the entire eastern half of the continent".. what countries other than Russia and Georgia have been at war?

My point was, and continues to be, that Europe is a mess and a danger to the world. They appear to have learned nothing from history, especially their own history, and seem doomed to repeat it. Your simplistic idea that belonging to the EU will somehow transform the continent into a place of good will and free trade is as ludicrous as any other scheme Europeans have come up in the last 100 years. And while embracing each other in this Kumbaya moment, those who you've been at war with for as long ad human memory exists, you've also alienated your old friends, as though trashing your former Allies was a prerequisite to EU membership. This was a huge error over the long term.
HAHAHAH, yea right. I am not denying that US forces played their part in holding back the Soviet empire

Then what are you laughing at?
but for 2000 years European wars have been over political and economic issues.

Too true! And with those "political issues" enjoying some odd twists.
There was almost no year in European history prior to WW2 that there was not a war of some sort in Europe.

Yes. we know. We lost hundreds of thousands of good men and women in European created wars.
With the EU we had a method to discuss and solve BOTH, something we have not had before. Hence the major European players in the UK, France and Germany plus the semi big political players of Holland, Belgium, Italy, Austria and so on have not been at war with each other for over 50 years and that is a first in European history. And the EU has a huge part in that.

The EU had nothing to do with that. American (and Canadian) forces did. You can sign all the treaties and agreements you choose to, and have throughout history, and they'll always eventually be ignored. A missile base cannot.

In title yes.. in power.. hell no.. he is nothing but a glorified office manager. He can comment all he wants on policy and make a fool of himself, but in reality he has zero power.

Then why have him there? This is just another example of how bureaucratic and inefficient the EU is. It's all about symbolism. But what happens when this bureaucracy gains power, and unlimited power? I doubt this position will remain a symbol for long. It's there for a reason.

No, American tv like Fox News and right wing blogs.

You watch Fox News? Great! Who is your favorite, and least favorite commentator?
 
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