Culling the herd (1 Viewer)

[ataraxia]

Smaller events up to 50 should be fine.

Says who? Or is that just a “gut feeling” you have?

 

[Paradoxical]

NYC isn't having the most casualties. It actually has one of the lower death rates /population/density. How many times does someone have to tell you something before you listen and understand?

Where do the people live who take all those modes of transportation I mentioned?

 

[Paradoxical]

So the culling of the old, infirmed, handicapped, be it physical, genetic, or even mental, and the weak and 'unfit' perhaps ought be allowed and even encouraged for the greater good of society and for the improvement of the genetic quality the human population? That theme or theory sounds awfully familiar. If I'm not mistaken think that kind of thinking was popular in late 19th century America and 1930s Germany.

I am just absolutely amazed that so many of you don't understand what culling the herd means. It doesn't mean that I will do it or that I want it. It means that nature does it. All one need do is to watch some "Nature" channel on TV to see how the weaker/slower/older of animals are the ones in their particular herd that are picked off. The large packs are easy pickings.

 

[Paradoxical]

And that's all you need to get infected.



You can get infected every time you go into town and touch a surface that an infected person touched. You can get infected from using the gas pump. You can get infected when you meet up with your buddies at a bar or restaurant, or when they come to your home. COVID-19 can spread via the air, so you can get infected by standing too close to someone for too long.

If everyone in your entire community is alerted early, and everyone is diligent, you'll slow the spread -- and that can make a big difference as it reduces the chance of medical resources getting overwhelmed. That's why we are pushing social distancing. But you aren't magically immune to viruses just because you "only" go to a nearby town 4 times a week.



"First" does not mean "most" for long.

Do you not understand the law of averages?

 

[Paradoxical]

Says who? Or is that just a “gut feeling” you have?

Someone asked me my opinion and I gave it.

 

[prometeus]

I am just absolutely amazed

Of course you are.

All one need do is to watch some "Nature" channel on TV to see how the weaker/slower/older of animals are the ones in their particular herd that are picked off. The large packs are easy pickings.

That is people who think at the level of herds. In more advanced societies, where there is special protections for certain members the culling is only rational for the uneducated.

 

[weaver2]

I am just absolutely amazed that so many of you don't understand what culling the herd means. It doesn't mean that I will do it or that I want it. It means that nature does it. All one need do is to watch some "Nature" channel on TV to see how the weaker/slower/older of animals are the ones in their particular herd that are picked off. The large packs are easy pickings.

Everyone understands 'culling'

"NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not."

So? What's your point?

 

[Paradoxical]

Of course you are.

That is people who think at the level of herds. In more advanced societies, where there is special protections for certain members the culling is only rational for the uneducated.

Tell me how this human can protect itself from an unseen NEW virus that was sent to us from China without them telling us for 2 months? I'm curious.

Could we have dispersed at 50 MPH like animals do in the wild by jumping off a subway or out of a high rise?

 

[Paradoxical]

Everyone understands 'culling'

"NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not."

So? What's your point?

Move out of sardine cans and call this virus the name it really should have which is the CHINA virus and force them to clean up their act by shutting down their horrendous live kill wet markets.

 

[weaver2]

Tell me how this human can protect itself from an unseen NEW virus that was sent to us from China without them telling us for 2 months?

It's not rocket science. Here's how:

Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters has learned.

The American disease expert, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue. The first cases of the new coronavirus may have emerged as early as November, and as cases exploded, the Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to help.

“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Bao-Ping Zhu, a Chinese American who served in that role, which was funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2007 and 2011. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.” Zhu and the other sources said the American expert, Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases.

As an American CDC employee, they said, Quick was in an ideal position to be the eyes and ears on the ground for the United States and other countries on the coronavirus outbreak, and might have alerted them to the growing threat weeks earlier. No other foreign disease experts were embedded to lead the program after Quick left in July, according to the sources. Zhu said an embedded expert can often get word of outbreaks early, after forming close relationships with Chinese counterparts.
Exclusive: U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak - Reuters

 

[Paradoxical]

It's not rocket science. Here's how:

Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters has learned.

The American disease expert, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue. The first cases of the new coronavirus may have emerged as early as November, and as cases exploded, the Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to help.

“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Bao-Ping Zhu, a Chinese American who served in that role, which was funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2007 and 2011. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.” Zhu and the other sources said the American expert, Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases.

As an American CDC employee, they said, Quick was in an ideal position to be the eyes and ears on the ground for the United States and other countries on the coronavirus outbreak, and might have alerted them to the growing threat weeks earlier. No other foreign disease experts were embedded to lead the program after Quick left in July, according to the sources. Zhu said an embedded expert can often get word of outbreaks early, after forming close relationships with Chinese counterparts.
Exclusive: U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak - Reuters

Here we go with yet another blogger finding a way to blame Trump. As if this person would have been able to know that Chinese authorities covered this up. Good try.

 

[weaver2]

Here we go with yet another blogger finding a way to blame Trump. As if this person would have been able to know that Chinese authorities covered this up. Good try.

"Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases." It would be impossible to hide a new virus or an out break of a disease if one were training the field workers responsible for identification of virus and development of vaccine. In any case there was a mutual exchange of information and people would have known about the coming of the virus.
Trump eliminated Ms Quick's position

 

[Paradoxical]

"Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases." It would be impossible to hide a new virus or an out break of a disease if one were training the field workers responsible for identification of virus and development of vaccine. In any case there was a mutual exchange of information and people would have known about the coming of the virus.
Trump eliminated Ms Quick's position

If my grandma had a penis she would have been my grandpa, too. The state run media (like in the US) threatened to jail whistleblowers.

 

[prometeus]

Tell me how this human

It is not all about you. When you will be able to see that you will understand.

 

[Paradoxical]

It is not all about you. When you will be able to see that you will understand.

Here is the full quote of mine which you oddly left out. I find that very weird and odd;

Tell me how this human can protect itself from an unseen NEW virus that was sent to us from China without them telling us for 2 months?

I won't ask you but I am asking others here to please tell me how the above post was "all about me"?

Prometeus couldn't do it so maybe others can? Very strange post indeed. A head scratcher.

 

[prometeus]

Here is the full quote of mine which you oddly left out. I find that very weird and odd;



I won't ask you but I am asking others here to please tell me how the above post was "all about me"?

Prometeus couldn't do it so maybe others can? Very strange post indeed. A head scratcher.

Oh, by "this human" you meant someone else? Is English your second language?

 

[ataraxia]

Someone asked me my opinion and I gave it.

You made a confident public health recommendation that gatherings of up to 50 people should be fine. That's usually based on huge amounts of data and their analysis by multiple experts in peer-reviewed recommendations. What is yours based on?

 

[weaver2]

If my grandma had a penis she would have been my grandpa, too. The state run media (like in the US) threatened to jail whistleblowers.

Is this non sequitur supposed to be a:
1. joke
2. a mistake
3. a brain fart
4. just random words picked out of the newspaper
5. the result poor reading comprehension

 

[Grand Mal]

Is this non sequitur supposed to be a:
1. joke
2. a mistake
3. a brain fart
4. just random words picked out of the newspaper
5. the result poor reading comprehension

Get used to it. It'll get worse, guaranteed.

 

[Paradoxical]

Oh, by "this human" you meant someone else? Is English your second language?

It would have been easier for you to understand if I said A human but whether it is THIS human or A human, the post is still accurate.

 

[prometeus]

It would have been easier for you to understand if I said A human

No, had you used "a human" it would have only shown that you can not write a coherent sentence.

 

[Paradoxical]

Is this non sequitur supposed to be a:
1. joke
2. a mistake
3. a brain fart
4. just random words picked out of the newspaper
5. the result poor reading comprehension

It is to answer your "If" questions, which someone can speculate on endlessly. So, I asked you to speculate on my if question. While he is at it, Grand Ma.....I mean Grand Mal can speculate on whether or not he would be a grand ma if he dropped the L.

 

[Paradoxical]

No, had you used "a human" it would have only shown that you can not write a coherent sentence.

Night school would help you with your reading comprehension.

 

[Atomic Kid]

I am just absolutely amazed that so many of you don't understand what culling the herd means. It doesn't mean that I will do it or that I want it. It means that nature does it. All one need do is to watch some "Nature" channel on TV to see how the weaker/slower/older of animals are the ones in their particular herd that are picked off. The large packs are easy pickings.

Of course it means that you want it. You are actively deciding not to intervene or even help anyone. Instead you're advocating that if we would just turn our heads away and allow 'nature' to take it's course on these poor people being forced to fend for themselves. In short order it's problem solved. You make that sound so nice, natural and reasonable. With that kind of talent you probably would've made for a great Nazi in Hitler's Germany.

 

[Lursa]

Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

Year deaths over 65
2010-2011 36656 25,128
2011-2012 12,447 9,374
2012-2013 42,570 35,167
2013-2014 37,930 28,414
2014-2015 51,376 44,808
2015-2016 22,705 17,458
2016-2017 32,833 32,833
2017-2018 61,099 50,903

Totals 297,616 244,805

Average per year = 37,202
Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70, a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?

Seems like a good argument for demonstrating some hypocrisies in the pro-life view. Many commonalities there.