Crunching the Numbers.

[Rucker61]

Ask them?

That would definitely drop the incarceration numbers.

 

[RF667799]

That would definitely drop the incarceration numbers.

Most of them didn't do it, and the remainder, their lawyer ****ed them.

 

[Individual]

In 1972, 360,000 people were incarcerated in state and federal prisons and local jails; by 2003, the total incarcerated population surpassed two million, representing a more than 500 percent increase in a period when the U.S. population increased by just 37 percent. A prison a week was opened from 1985 to 2000. Today the United States is undisputedly the world’s leading jailer—just five percent of the world’s population, we hold close to 25 percent of the world’s prisoners. At more than 700 per 100,000 residents, the U.S. rate of incarceration is more than twice the rate of 90 percent of the world’s countries.
Perspectives on Punishment
Indeed, the costs have been exorbitant, both in outright expenditures (in 2010, spending on corrections on the federal, state, and local levels topped $80 billion) and in the loss of generations of young men, particularly young men of color, to long prison sentences. African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times, and Hispanics at nearly twice, the rate of whites. Not only are they lost to their families and communities for those years, but wide-ranging collateral consequences—from denial of voting rights and public benefits to housing and work restrictions—can follow them for many years after release, deeply impairing their ability to live productive and healthy lives, and build productive and healthy communities.


So how is your solution working out for us?

Apply it and find out.

 

[poppopfox]

Many of the people serving long sentences, grew accustomed to emerging relatively unscathed from earlier transgressions.

Prove it.

Violent offenders should be removed from society. Forever if need be.

So the 2A is off limits but you're okay with ignoring the Eighth?

 

[poppopfox]

Apply it and find out.

Research it and find out. Find just one study that supports your claim - "Prisons should be made the very least desirable location to live out ones life, and inmates collective labor the sole source of sustenance."

from the DOJ
Increasing the severity of punishment does little to deter crime. Laws and policies designed to deter crime by focusing mainly on increasing the severity of punishment are ineffective partly because criminals know little about the sanctions for specific crimes. More severe punishments do not “chasten” individuals convicted of crimes, and prisons may exacerbate recidivism.

 

[iguanaman]

Research it and find out. Find just one study that supports your claim - "Prisons should be made the very least desirable location to live out ones life, and inmates collective labor the sole source of sustenance."

from the DOJ
Increasing the severity of punishment does little to deter crime. Laws and policies designed to deter crime by focusing mainly on increasing the severity of punishment are ineffective partly because criminals know little about the sanctions for specific crimes. More severe punishments do not “chasten” individuals convicted of crimes, and prisons may exacerbate recidivism.

I remember reading a piece about the France's use of the guillotine to punish criminals. They had problems with pickpockets working the spectators so they made it a capital crime. It didn't work. The pickpockets still picked the pockets of the spectators watching a pickpocket be beheaded. Criminals never think they will be caught.

 

[RF667799]

I remember reading a piece about the France's use of the guillotine to punish criminals. They had problems with pickpockets working the spectators so they made it a capital crime. It didn't work. The pickpockets still picked the pockets of the spectators watching a pickpocket be beheaded. Criminals never think they will be caught.

And we've given them reason to believe that if they are caught, they will probably be shortly released.

 

[Individual]

Research it and find out. Find just one study that supports your claim - "Prisons should be made the very least desirable location to live out ones life, and inmates collective labor the sole source of sustenance."

from the DOJ
Increasing the severity of punishment does little to deter crime. Laws and policies designed to deter crime by focusing mainly on increasing the severity of punishment are ineffective partly because criminals know little about the sanctions for specific crimes. More severe punishments do not “chasten” individuals convicted of crimes, and prisons may exacerbate recidivism.

No such study has ever been made.

Let's do one.

 

[RF667799]

Prove it.

So the 2A is off limits but you're okay with ignoring the Eighth?

There are news reports every day of career criminals finally escalating their crimes to the point they are no longer subject to mere finger wagging. Ignore them if you wish. Think they are insignificant if you want. In fact, I recommend you relay to the electorate that all those be ignored.

Yeah, it might not be unusual to let violent people move freely through society, but it is certainly more cruel to the portion of society inflicted with their violent activities. Nevertheless, I wecome you to also use that as a talking point while campaigning for your anti gun candidates.

 

[iguanaman]

And we've given them reason to believe that if they are caught, they will probably be shortly released.

Can't you read? Fear of punishment is not a factor in reducing crime. Getting the criminals off the streets is. We are the most incarcerated nation on earth and what needs to be done is better rehabilitation of those that are incarcerated not making them suffer more. Russia has some of the worst prison conditions and their crime rates are higher than ours.

 

[RF667799]

Can't you read? Fear of punishment is not a factor in reducing crime. Getting the criminals off the streets is. We are the most incarcerated nation on earth and what needs to be done is better rehabilitation of those that are incarcerated not making them suffer more. Russia has some of the worst prison conditions and their crime rates are higher than ours.

You said criminals never think they will be caught.

Giving them reason to believe they will be caught and punished would certainly be more helpful than conditioning them from their first criminal forays to think they won't be caught, and if they are they will get off lightly.

I'm not really concerned with rehabilitation or the delicate sensibilities of violent, often murderous scum. Removing them from society is enough. It's what the people who choose to act peacefully with their fellow citizens deserve.

 

[iguanaman]

You said criminals never think they will be caught.

Giving them reason to believe they will be caught and punished would certainly be more helpful than conditioning them from their first criminal forays to think they won't be caught, and if they are they will get off lightly.

I'm not really concerned with rehabilitation or the delicate sensibilities of violent, often murderous scum. Removing them from society is enough. It's what the people who choose to act peacefully with their fellow citizens deserve.

That sounds pretty fascist to me not to mention racist. It really is not about reducing crime is it? It actually turns you on when people are suffering I think and throwing away the key is not the answer either.

 

[RF667799]

That sounds pretty fascist to me not to mention racist. It really is not about reducing crime is it? It actually turns you on when people are suffering I think and throwing away the key is not the answer either.

Wow. Tossing the fascist and the racist cards at the same time. Irrational knee jerk response.

It's about the overwhelming majority of society who peacefully live with their fellow citizens, not having to be subjected to the tyranny of the few shitheads who refuse that. Spend some time in East St. Louis. It's ****ing heartbreaking to see so many people doing their best, in the face of a minority of scum doing their worst.

 

[NWRatCon]

I remember reading a piece about the France's use of the guillotine to punish criminals. They had problems with pickpockets working the spectators so they made it a capital crime. It didn't work. The pickpockets still picked the pockets of the spectators watching a pickpocket be beheaded. Criminals never think they will be caught.

Trump certainly didn't.

 

[NWRatCon]

It's about the overwhelming majority of society who peacefully live with their fellow citizens, not having to be subjected to the tyranny of the few shitheads who refuse that.

Suddenly you're a liberal?

 

[RF667799]

Suddenly you're a liberal?

Suddenly you're omniscient?

Seriously, partisan bias may have gotten the best of you.

 

[Rich2018]

Suddenly you're a liberal?

Perish the thought !!!

 

[RF667799]

Perish the thought !!!

Spam.

 

[zsu2357]

bluesmoke said:
I'm not in support of restricting all rifles. Are you in support of any restriction whatsoever? Including registration, etc.?

No just all magazine fed semi auto's. Rifles and shotguns.

OH SHIT! Know wonder you liked that. What I said above couldn't be farther from the truth. Shit man I ****ed up good.