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CRT in an elementary school. You know you'll get the direct link, right?

Slyfox696 said:
Isn't it interesting how quickly some people resort to the idea of teaching white supremacy? Wonder what that means...
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That was not the point of that statement. One of these days maybe you'll write something honest, probs will be on accident though.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I do. That's why I know your position is garbage.

I did my research. I read the slides you're about to link before you linked them. And they prove you are either lying or ignorant. Which is it?

Oh, look! You weren't telling the truth! What a shock...

In no way is that slide saying what you are claiming it says. If you had ever taken an education course in your life, you'd have a better idea of why the things you are saying are wrong.

The key phrase in that first slide is "standardized, prescribed ways". Did you read that? At all? Bother to think why it was included, what meaning it might have? The concept is that we all have different backgrounds and biases which arise from those backgrounds, and requiring all students to process the information the way I process it can hold back those of different backgrounds. Again, this is fairly common understanding for those who know what is being said here. I was learning these kinds of things nearly 20 years ago (and I'm sure the teaching of these concepts predates my educational training). Not surprising you don't seem to understand though.

And in the second slide you're quoting, you HAVE to be acting deliberately obtuse. Are you really telling me that you don't understand why understanding the concepts and reasoning behind doing something is more important than writing down the correct answer on a school assignment? Seriously? Are you really trying to claim that level of ignorance?

I am curious though (not really, because I already know the answer to my question)...how come you left off the rest of the slides? You know, the information which provides context to what you are providing out of context and erroneously? For example, how come you left this part out of your second slide?

"Of course, most math problems have correct answers, but sometimes there can be more than one way to interpret a problem, especially word problems, leading to more than one possible right answer. And teaching math isn't just about solving specific problems. It's about helping students understand the deeper mathematical concepts so that they can apply them throughout their lives. Students can arrive at the right answer without grasping the bigger concept; or they can have an “aha” moment when they see why they got an answer wrong. Sometimes a wrong answer sheds more light than a right answer."

Again, you don't need to answer that because we both know why you deliberately omitted that portion of the slide (and the relevant portion to the first slide as well). You're literally making things up by taking things out of context to push your false narrative. I "pounce" on posts like yours because the dishonesty is so obviously apparent to someone who knows what they are talking about, but too many people are falling for the same kinds of lies you're telling here because they don't know. It's okay to not know...it's not okay to deliberately push falsehoods, as you're doing here. And it is OBVIOUS you know what you are doing by the fact you deliberately omitted the portions of the slide which provide the context to the outrageous lies you want people to believe.

You were right about one thing though...everyone can see clearly EXACTLY what is happening, and the lies you're pushing.

Oh, look...someone who is pushing lies about CRT defending another poster pushing lies about CRT. Imagine my shock and surprise...
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Grade A bullshit. Those slides say what they say, and your spin is comical.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Ridiculous, completely disingenuous comparison.
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No, it's an entirely appropriate comparison that you know as well as I exposes the flaw in your argument. Teaching the principles of a theory -- any theory -- is tantamount to teaching the theory.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Isn't it interesting how quickly some people resort to the idea of teaching white supremacy? Wonder what that means...
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It means you cannot defend your position without resorting to thinly veiled ad hominem, the hallmark of a weak argument.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Your own posts prove at least two points;

1. Critical Race Theory is not being taught to K-12 students.

2. Some school districts encourage teachers to employ elements of Critical Race Theory in their classrooms.

Neither is a problem.
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Whether it is taught to the students or whether the lessons for the teachers (to be utilized in K-12), it seems to be a work around to the actual teaching of CRT to K-12 school age kids.
And yes, parent's of those children, have a problem with it.
 
That damned CRT. It's the worst thing to happen to the country since that greasy haired Elvis kid shook his hips on the Sullivan. Good thing we have faux talking about it 24/7/765 or the Tweetbillies and Russians might have never found out about it before it was too late.
 
Helix said:
That damned CRT. It's the worst thing to happen to the country since that greasy haired Elvis kid shook his hips on the Sullivan. Good thing we have faux talking about it 24/7/765 or the Tweetbillies and Russians might have never found out about it before it was too late.
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^^^ how you know when an argument runs dry.
 
NatMorton said:
No, it's an entirely appropriate comparison that you know as well as I exposes the flaw in your argument. Teaching the principles of a theory -- any theory -- is tantamount to teaching the theory.
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Your comparison fails in two ways;

First, nobody is teaching CRT to schoolchildren. It isn’t even the claim being made by the OP.

Second, comparing CRT to “doctrine of white nationalism” is asinine. The two subjects are diametrically opposed.
 
Fishking said:
Lol...I've explained this to you, ad nauseum.
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Impossible, since this thread was just created this morning.

I'll ask again...what do you think is happening in the first post of the thread?
Fishking said:
That was not the point of that statement.
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Who said it was? I was just noting how quickly some people move to the idea.

Why are you defending it? Did you feel personally attacked by that sentiment?
Fishking said:
One of these days maybe you'll write something honest
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I write honestly all the time. Interesting how you never seem to comprehend what I'm saying...
NatMorton said:
Grade A bullshit. Those slides say what they say, and your spin is comical.
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Oh, look who is refusing to address what I said or answer the question(s) I asked. Again, you didn't HAVE to because we both know you're deliberately posting things you know are not true by dishonestly omitting context which proves your statements false. The slides you posted were not making a point anything close to what you are claiming they were. And you know that, which is why you didn't include the entire slide, just the part you wanted to take out of context.

I thought you would at least make a little more effort to cover up the lies you're posting. I guess you just don't care enough to keep the lie going?
NatMorton said:
It means you cannot defend your position without resorting to thinly veiled ad hominem, the hallmark of a weak argument.
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It appears you do not understand what the phrase "ad hominem" means or you would understand why you have used it incorrectly here.
 
Fabiusbile said:
I don't understand the moment a bit.
The descendants are Spaniards, they are white, Europeans, yes, they are swarthy, dark-haired, but still Europeans. Descendants of the British, Germans, Russians, Scandinavians can discriminate against descendants of Spaniards on the basis of language, the same external differences, but in terms of terms, this is not racism, but xenophobia... which is no better, the essence is still the same.
I think I understand you... are you probably talking about Spanish-speaking Indians?
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People from Spanish speaking countries in the Americas usually have a certain amount of Native American ancestry. Those with a lot of Native American ancestry are typically darker, and generally looked down on in many of those countries. There certainly are Latin Americans who are completely European in appearance, especially in Argentina. But most aren't.
 
Cope said:
Whether it is taught to the students or whether the lessons for the teachers (to be utilized in K-12), it seems to be a work around to the actual teaching of CRT to K-12 school age kids.
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It only seems to be a workaround to those that have no clue of what they’re talking about.
Cope said:
And yes, parent's of those children, have a problem with it.
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Two parents?
 
OrphanSlug said:
Triggered thread number 256,485 or something about CRT... sigh.

To be brutally honest elementary school is the best time to start to teach kids about the dangers of any and all prejudices.

And when did "anti-racist" become an issue?

No one pops out of their mom's play-doh fun factory of life that instant automatically filled with prejudices and the hatred those concepts are based on, that is taught and influenced over a period of time by someone(s) to someone(s) in some context.

It makes perfect and practical sense to talk to kids about the true nature of division oriented ideologies and politics. It makes perfect and practical sense to talk to kids in very simple terms what it means in the short and long term to look at people through the prejudiced intending confines of sex, or age, or race, or wealth scale, or any other factor that ends up superficial and entirely at the expense of the person being judged.

Not a bit of this should be controversial, we should be encouraging kids to look at others based on the actions they take what is under their control.

The opposite of "anti-racist" is being pro-racist, you guys on the right need to make a decision.
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I would agree completely with your sentiments except for one important fact.

"Anti-racist" has gained a meaning, largely through Kendri's work, that is very different from simply disagreeing with and disapproving of racism. It has a specialized and specific meaning that not everyone who hates racism would necessarily agree with.
 
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This one is quite extensive, it continues with all sorts of class discussion questions and contrasts with White Fragility.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
First, nobody is teaching CRT to schoolchildren. It isn’t even the claim being made by the OP.
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Rickeroo and I both have provided enough evidence to prove this assertion false. CRT principles are making their way into lesson plans and it's the direct result of a conscious decision by school administration to do so. Even the WP's columnists are acknowledging this. So I'd recommend you stop repeating this falsehood if you want to be taken seriously on this matter.

RaleBulgarian said:
Second, comparing CRT to “doctrine of white nationalism” is asinine. The two subjects are diametrically opposed.
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That's not the point. They're both social theories, and my assertion is that teaching the principles of a theory -- any theory -- is tantamount to teaching the theory. I think you know this is true and that's why you're trying to deflect the argument toward a comparison of the two theories.
 
Helix said:
^^^how you know a right wing propaganda talking point has been run into the ground and broken off.
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See post #95. Apparently The Washington Post is now part of the right-wing propaganda machine.
 
NatMorton said:
... and you follow that USA Today link, i.e. the one that recommends books for adults and kids, you'll find this passage:

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Thanks! There's just so much stuff. Kendi and his special definition of antiracism (which we will be compelled to adopt) is absolutely everywhere.
 
NatMorton said:
See post #95. Apparently The Washington Post is now part of the right-wing propaganda machine.
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I got tired of their paywall. I think that CRT put it there because I'm white.
 
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