"CRT calls for a radical reordering of society" - American Bar Association

[Rickeroo]

American Bar Association.

Acknowledgement that racism is a normal feature of society and is embedded within systems and institutions, like the legal system, that replicate racial inequality. This dismisses the idea that racist incidents are aberrations but instead are manifestations of structural and systemic racism

Rejection of popular understandings about racism, such as arguments that confine racism to a few “bad apples.” CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy. CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.”

CRT calls for a radical reordering of society and a reckoning with the structures and systems that intersect to perpetuate racial inequality.

How will this radical reordering work? If racism isn't confined to a few bad apples, who is racist? Which structures is racism imbedded in, and how will those structures be altered in the "reckoning"? If CRT isn't colorblind, does it advocate a legal system based on race?

This CRT garbage is great - the turnoff to White voters (and a few Cubans in Florida) is worth an extra 20 years of America as we know it.

 

[Jezcoe]

I think that a good case can be made that the laws around the drug war are tilted towards affecting people of color more than white people.

 

[Allan]

American Bar Association.

Acknowledgement that racism is a normal feature of society and is embedded within systems and institutions, like the legal system, that replicate racial inequality. This dismisses the idea that racist incidents are aberrations but instead are manifestations of structural and systemic racism

Rejection of popular understandings about racism, such as arguments that confine racism to a few “bad apples.” CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy. CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.”

CRT calls for a radical reordering of society and a reckoning with the structures and systems that intersect to perpetuate racial inequality.

Well written statement that is indicative of a deep understanding of the problem.

How will this radical reordering work?

Recognition that systemic racism exists and putting action plans in place toward the goal of eliminating it.

Which structures is racism imbedded in, and how will those structures be altered in the "reckoning"?

The entire justice system - police, prosecutors, judges and even defense attorneys.

If CRT isn't colorblind, does it advocate a legal system based on race?

The legal system is currently race biased. The approach is to eliminate that.

This CRT garbage is great - the turnoff to White voters (and a few Cubans in Florida) is worth an extra 20 years of America as we know it.

No idea what the above means.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I think that a good case can be made that the laws around the drug war are tilted towards affecting people of color more than white people.

OK, then make it.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Sometimes I wonder if the most insecure and most socially inept white people are the ones that are the most troubled about talking honestly about what happened in our country in the past.

I'm white. I'm married. I have a family. Talking truthfully about the past bothers me not.

 

[Jezcoe]

OK, then make it.

The sentencing for crack cocaine that is more prevalent in lower income black communities is more severe than for powder cocaine.

They are the exact same drug.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Sometimes I wonder if the most insecure and most socially inept white people are the ones that are the most troubled about talking honestly about what happened in our country in the past.

I'm white. I'm married. I have a family. Talking truthfully about the past bothers me not.

This thread is not about the past - it is about the present and the future.

 

[Allan]

I think that a good case can be made that the laws around the drug war are tilted towards affecting people of color more than white people.

The case is more than good; it's rock solid as it was revealed years ago that the "war on drugs" was intended specifically to target Black Americans.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or blacks, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities." -John Ehrlichman, Nixon's Domestic Policy Advisor

 

[CaughtInThe]

This thread is not about the past - it is about the present and the future.

The past always influences the future.

For example, how much time do we spend talking about the Australian slaves that we owned? Or Jim Crowe laws against them?

 

[bluesmoke]

OK, then make it.

Law enforcement’s focus on urban areas, lower income communities and communities of color resulting in sentencing for minor drug offenses.

 

[Jezcoe]

Law enforcement’s focus on urban areas, lower income communities and communities of color resulting in sentencing for minor drug offenses.

The NYC Stop and Frisk policy has no language about race but was used way more on minority communities than on white people.

 

[bluesmoke]

This thread is not about the past - it is about the present and the future.

The laws of the present were made in the past and affect the future. Impossible to dismiss.

“The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”

---Albert Einstein.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The NYC Stop and Frisk policy has no language about race but was used way more on minority communities than on white people.

Are you saying they didn't use it on Wall Street? Even though a bunch of the huge earners were using all kinds of drugs?

 

[Allan]

OK, then make it.

Take a look at this. It's one of many studies showing the disproportionate penalties inflicted on Blacks. They are as likely to use drugs as Whites, less likely to sell it, but go to jail at a much greater frequency for longer periods of time.

 

[TheParser]

This CRT garbage is great - the turnoff to White voters (and a few Cubans in Florida) is worth an extra 20 years of America as we know it.

I am 84, so ...

But for younger people, yes, they still have about 20 or so more years before all hell breaks loose in this nation.

i assume that the remaining good people will seek to (peacefully, of course) regroup so that they can live somewhere away from the craziness that this country will be plunged into.

The really pathetic aspect is that today's Social Justice Warriors are setting up a nightmare for their great-grandchildren.

 

[bluesmoke]

The NYC Stop and Frisk policy has no language about race but was used way more on minority communities than on white people.

Hence disparate impact where there is no law containing the language of race but the statistics prove the impact is upon certain race and/or people of color/ethnicity. NYC reduced Stop and Frisk considerably due to the outcry of racism. However, the stats then showed black people still disproportionately being stopped and frisked.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Law enforcement’s focus on urban areas, lower income communities and communities of color resulting in sentencing for minor drug offenses.

That does not address the drug law’s text - that addresses law enforcement practices. Using that logic (argument?) it could be said that law enforcement should not make more arrests (for violating any statute) in higher crime areas if those higher crime areas happen to be majority non-white.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I am 84, so ...

But for younger people, yes, they still have about 20 or so more years before all hell breaks loose in this nation.

i assume that the remaining good people will seek to (peacefully, of course) regroup so that they can live somewhere away from the craziness that this country will be plunged into.

The really pathetic aspect is that today's Social Justice Warriors are setting up a nightmare for their great-grandchildren.

The only thing that would surprise me is if crusty old people didn't say stuff like this. Every freaking generation.

Rock and Roll Baby!!!!

 

[ttwtt78640]

The laws of the present were made in the past and affect the future. Impossible to dismiss.

“The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”

---Albert Einstein.

Hmm… is it merely an illusion that we can’t change the past?

 

[Jezcoe]

That does not address the drug law’s text - that addresses law enforcement practices. Using that logic (argument?) it could be said that law enforcement should not make more arrests (for violating any statute) in higher crime areas if those higher crime areas happen to be majority non-white.

The crime of drug use is just as prevalent in white areas as it is in black areas.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Totally off topic but do you guys ever get up extra early and check this board like I did this morning? It is always swarming with Republican posts. And here's my question.

What time do these people eat dinner?

 

[Irredentist]

That does not address the drug law’s text - that addresses law enforcement practices. Using that logic (argument?) it could be said that law enforcement should not make more arrests (for violating any statute) in higher crime areas if those higher crime areas happen to be majority non-white.

Do higher rates of arrest directly translate to safer neighborhoods?

 

[joko104]

Do higher rates of arrest directly translate to safer neighborhoods?

Yes.

 

[Irredentist]

Yes.

So then the neighborhoods with the highest rates of arrests should be the safest ones, correct?

 

[ttwtt78640]

The crime of drug use is just as prevalent in white areas as it is in black areas.

That is true, yet police presence is not. Police presence is generally increased (concentrated?) in areas with more overall and/or violent crime.