No he is just an unpopular legitimate leader, you are no Obama supporter yet you recognize him as your leader, no? so does the majority of Americans I presume.
Precisely. Just as Bush was an unpopular legitimate leader in 2006-2008. In neither case does the presence of low approval numbers plus an active and large protest movement justify a military coup.
Precisely. Just as Bush was an unpopular legitimate leader in 2006-2008. In neither case does the presence of low approval numbers plus an active and large protest movement justify a military coup.
Precisely. Just as Bush was an unpopular legitimate leader in 2006-2008. In neither case does the presence of low approval numbers plus an active and large protest movement justify a military coup.
There was no “constitutional choice” of the Egyptian people. The previous constitution had been suspended by the military when it removed Mubarak from power and rules were set (by the military) for how things would be handled in implementing a new constitution. Morsi disregarded those rules and immediately began to establish his own authoritarian rule through a series of illegitimate actions that included granting himself unlimited powers to “protect” the nation as well as his decree that his orders were protected from and above judicial review. In other words, he didn’t play by the rules and protests erupted at each stage of his usurping authoritarian power.Like him or not, Morsi won in a legitimate election, and was the legitimate constitutional choice of the Egyptian people. Mobs in the street do not have a natural right to overthrown the legally expressed will of the Egyptian populace.
I guess you fail to realize that we are talking about the largest known protest in history. This was much bigger than those that ousted Mubarak, these were protests with nearly 3 million people on the streets, and ready to storm his palace to kill him if he didn’t go away. That isn’t a mob my friend, that is a nation demanding justice. That would be like 10-20 million descending upon Washington DC in protest; it has never happened. The military had no choice but to take Morsi out of power because the people would have killed him if they didn't and that would be a much worse situation than new elections for a new leader.Look, I don't like Morsi, I was one of the first to say that the MB would take over and it would go badly. But what we have just established is a new standard - if you can get enough people in the streets and destroy the right amount of property, you can overturn an election and overthrow the government you don't like. We just gave everyone who can bring a mob to bear in Cairo a veto over governance.
How naïve this view is.That is incorrect. Morsi was always an Islamist, the people knew precisely who they were getting. He is, in fact, the only actor in this three-part play that has a claim to legitimacy.
You don’t know how much fraud there was during the voting process, but the Egyptian people know how much fraud has occurred since his election. He broke the social contract and the people have decided to void that contract. That is their right.So long as they are (and Egypt's broadly were) free from fraud, yes.
Had Bush pulled the crap Morsi has, then I would have hoped that the US military would have thrown him out.
Precisely. Just as Bush was an unpopular legitimate leader in 2006-2008. In neither case does the presence of low approval numbers plus an active and large protest movement justify a military coup.
Political hack alert!!!!!
You willing to say the same for Obama or are you to partisan to have values of your own?
Morsi is no jewel. But the real loser today is not Morsi, it's representative government and the rule of law.
Goes for any president, but I was quoting a Bush comment.
My point is, if Bush or Obama, or Reagan tried to push through a new constitution that marginalized all minorities and promoted only their own religious group... then I would hope that someone would step in and remove said President.
Fair enough.
Just had to make sure you knew no President in history has been more authoritarian than Obama.
I think you need to live in the Middle East for a few years before lecturing us on how the rule of law has been violated because the people of a nation recognized an Islamist authoritarian government/president was about to cast them into the dark ages if they didn't do something about it.
I'm confused by your position. Are you really an advocate for authoritarian governments? If so, your avatar is inappropriate because the people, which make up the military in Egypt, have spoken and an authoritarian government has been removed, with elections coming soon.
Bush was worse. Obama is only using the tools that Bush put in place and exploited to the fullest. That does not excuse Obama of course, but one should not downplay the things Bush did to make it possible for Obama to do what he supposedly is doing.
You forget that the difference between the US right and Morsi are very small. Both believe in many of the same things and act in the same way. Hence Morsi was a hero to the radical religious right in the US, because he did what they have not (as of yet) been able to do.. push a religious based government through favoring themselves and putting other religions and sects within their own at a massive disadvantage.
Had Bush pulled the crap Morsi has, then I would have hoped that the US military would have thrown him out.
You forget that the difference between the US right and Morsi are very small. Both believe in many of the same things and act in the same way. Hence Morsi was a hero to the radical religious right in the US, because he did what they have not (as of yet) been able to do.. push a religious based government through favoring themselves and putting other religions and sects within their own at a massive disadvantage.
I think you need to live in the Middle East for a few years before lecturing us on how the rule of law has been violated because the people of a nation recognized an Islamist authoritarian government/president was about to cast them into the dark ages if they didn't do something about it.
I'm confused by your position. Are you really an advocate for authoritarian governments?
There was no coup in the traditional sense. Morsi is alive and free, for now. The military turned over power to the Constitutional Court.
The announcement was made with support from the civilian opposition standing on the stage...
It's nice how every once in a while, you demonstrate that when you comment on the United States, you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about
Nope. Here in the U.S. the military is subordinate to civilian authority - and as a military we value that.
lol!!! This is rich. Do you really stay awake at night worrying that the US will become a radically religious nation? Really?? Oh,
I don’t think the ‘religious right” in the USA were supporting Morsi. Another dream on your part.
Hardly. As long as the military gets it billions and are allowed to attack other nations, then they wont do anything, but as soon as that is threatened then watch them.
Morsi is no jewel. But the real loser today is not Morsi, it's representative government and the rule of law.
Look, whoever is going to take over after this will be no better able to fix Egypt's problems. They are unlikely to be able to wrest control of the economy from a now-empowered military to turn it around and provide a decent (or, at least, improving) standard of living to the Egyptian people, and they will see their numbers do the same that Morsi did. Except that now we have just established that the way to respond to no longer liking the people in charge is not to form opposition parties, develop well-thought out platforms, and contend with them for the approval of the people in the electoral process. It is instead to set buildings on fire and kill people. You think we won't see an attempted repeat of this?
So you deny that the religious right and the GOP are not against homosexuals and their rights, against abortion and for limiting womens rights? You deny that the religious right (read evangelicals) have called other Christian sects as "not Christian" and have talked hatefully against other religions? You deny that the GOP has a history of targeting minorities? Do you deny that the GOP has a history of massive nepotism despite claiming to fight it?
All these are what Morsi believes and has done.
Precisely. Just as Bush was an unpopular legitimate leader in 2006-2008. In neither case does the presence of low approval numbers plus an active and large protest movement justify a military coup.
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