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Criminal trials to watch and discuss - 2022 edition

What this trial came down to was he said, she said. No one knows what really happened except Depp and Heard.

IMO the juries decision had more to do with likability than any real evidence. Heard had a likability problem, over played her cards

A courtroom full of Depp disciples, giggling at puns he made during cross, IMO the jury bought into Depp's garbage as well.

Overseas, an objective judge didn't buy into the Depp persona, here they did, not me.
 
gboisjo said:
What this trial came down to was he said, she said. No one knows what really happened except Depp and Heard.

IMO the juries decision had more to do with likability than any real evidence. Heard had a likability problem, over played her cards

A courtroom full of Depp disciples, giggling at puns he made during cross, IMO the jury bought into Depp's garbage as well.

Overseas, an objective judge didn't buy into the Depp persona, here they did, not me.
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Do you believe everything Amber Heard said?
 
Higgins86 said:
Yep… entire thing was a circus. Doubt it’s over either.
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Yup, had to turn away from Court TV, they were obsessed with the civil trial.

Speaks volumes about the American psyche.
 
Credence said:
From what I have understood JD never wanted any money. He wanted to restore his reputation with his children and I can understand that
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Heard had nothing to do with his alcoholism and drug addiction ..her fatal mistake was trying to help him. He will continue to fall as a result of his own behavior.

Blaming his mommy won't get rid of the problem.
 
gboisjo said:
Heard had nothing to do with his alcoholism and drug addiction ..her fatal mistake was trying to help him. He will continue to fall as a result of his own behavior.

Blaming his mommy won't get rid of the problem.
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She tried to help him by constantly drinking around him and doing drugs with him and with her friends?
 
Desert Storm said:
Heard has filed an appeal.

Her lawyer$ are laughing all the way to the bank
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Has filed? I saw she said she wanted to, but not that she filed. What grounds?
 
One of the jurors has spoken out. I'm going to guess he was the one closest to AH when she was testifying. The lawyers in the courtroom always said that juror didn't look at her at all.
 
This apparently will be the basis of her appeal. I dont think she'll get it though.
The vast majority of appeals are rejected:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/depp-heard-lawyers-comment-1.6474915

Social media attacks on Amber Heard may have influenced jury in libel trial, her lawyer says​

Amber Heard was "demonized" by ex-husband Johnny Depp's legal team and excoriated on social media during a sensational defamation trial that ended with a jury ordering her to pay Depp $15 million US, Heard's lawyer said Thursday.

Elaine Bredehoft, one of Heard's lead attorneys during the trial, said she believes the jury was influenced by a relentless barrage of social media posts condemning Heard and supporting Depp. She said Heard plans to appeal.

"These people were giving her death threats," Bredehoft said on CBS Mornings. "They threatened to microwave her baby. This is the kind of social media she was getting.

"It was like a Roman coliseum is the best way to describe the atmosphere here. And I have to believe that the jury, even though they're told not to go and look at anything, you know, they have weekends, they have families, they have social media."
Bredehoft also said some evidence that was allowed in a similar defamation lawsuit that Depp lost in the U.K. was suppressed in the lawsuit he filed in Virginia. In the U.K. case, the judge found that Depp assaulted Heard on a dozen occasions.

"We weren't allowed to tell the jury this," Bredehoft said on NBC's Today show. "So what did Depp's team learn from this? Demonize Amber. And suppress the evidence."
 
Desert Storm said:
This apparently will be the basis of her appeal. I dont think she'll get it though.
The vast majority of appeals are rejected:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/depp-heard-lawyers-comment-1.6474915

Social media attacks on Amber Heard may have influenced jury in libel trial, her lawyer says​

Amber Heard was "demonized" by ex-husband Johnny Depp's legal team and excoriated on social media during a sensational defamation trial that ended with a jury ordering her to pay Depp $15 million US, Heard's lawyer said Thursday.

Elaine Bredehoft, one of Heard's lead attorneys during the trial, said she believes the jury was influenced by a relentless barrage of social media posts condemning Heard and supporting Depp. She said Heard plans to appeal.

"These people were giving her death threats," Bredehoft said on CBS Mornings. "They threatened to microwave her baby. This is the kind of social media she was getting.

"It was like a Roman coliseum is the best way to describe the atmosphere here. And I have to believe that the jury, even though they're told not to go and look at anything, you know, they have weekends, they have families, they have social media."
Bredehoft also said some evidence that was allowed in a similar defamation lawsuit that Depp lost in the U.K. was suppressed in the lawsuit he filed in Virginia. In the U.K. case, the judge found that Depp assaulted Heard on a dozen occasions.

"We weren't allowed to tell the jury this," Bredehoft said on NBC's Today show. "So what did Depp's team learn from this? Demonize Amber. And suppress the evidence."
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She is only going to sink her career if she ties herself to Heard like this. So far it's Johnny's fault, his attorneys fault, the Internet's fault, the judge's fault, the jury's fault, etc.
 
ASHES said:
She is only going to sink her career if she ties herself to Heard like this. So far it's Johnny's fault, his attorneys fault, the Internet's fault, the judge's fault, the jury's fault, etc.
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Agreed. Elaine needs to stop implying that JD's lawyers were hiding evidence. What happened was the judge ruled some evidence was not reliable or admissible.

She claims there is lots of medical records that weren't allowed. That "medical evidence" was just AH telling her therapist what happened. And we all know that AH is a liar.

She said that they tried to get the case thrown out because JD already had a trial about it. But -- he didn't. The UK trial was JD suing a newspaper. This was an entirely different publication and he was suing the person who wrote it.
 
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ASHES said:
She is only going to sink her career if she ties herself to Heard like this. So far it's Johnny's fault, his attorneys fault, the Internet's fault, the judge's fault, the jury's fault, etc.
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I'm definitely getting flashbacks to Sidney Powell here.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm definitely getting flashbacks to Sidney Powell here.
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I don't see Rottenborn doing the media circuit, wonder if he's out. What Morgan Tremaine said appears to be correct. Milking that lost cause for all the publicity she can.
 
ASHES said:
I don't see Rottenborn doing the media circuit, wonder if he's out. What Morgan Tremaine said appears to be correct. Milking that lost cause for all the publicity she can.
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If I were him I would be looking for work at another firm. She wasn't a great lawyer to begin with, but now it seems like she's just gratuitously demeaning herself.
 
Desert Storm said:
This apparently will be the basis of her appeal. I dont think she'll get it though.
The vast majority of appeals are rejected:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/depp-heard-lawyers-comment-1.6474915

Social media attacks on Amber Heard may have influenced jury in libel trial, her lawyer says​

Amber Heard was "demonized" by ex-husband Johnny Depp's legal team and excoriated on social media during a sensational defamation trial that ended with a jury ordering her to pay Depp $15 million US, Heard's lawyer said Thursday.

Elaine Bredehoft, one of Heard's lead attorneys during the trial, said she believes the jury was influenced by a relentless barrage of social media posts condemning Heard and supporting Depp. She said Heard plans to appeal.

"These people were giving her death threats," Bredehoft said on CBS Mornings. "They threatened to microwave her baby. This is the kind of social media she was getting.

"It was like a Roman coliseum is the best way to describe the atmosphere here. And I have to believe that the jury, even though they're told not to go and look at anything, you know, they have weekends, they have families, they have social media."
Bredehoft also said some evidence that was allowed in a similar defamation lawsuit that Depp lost in the U.K. was suppressed in the lawsuit he filed in Virginia. In the U.K. case, the judge found that Depp assaulted Heard on a dozen occasions.

"We weren't allowed to tell the jury this," Bredehoft said on NBC's Today show. "So what did Depp's team learn from this? Demonize Amber. And suppress the evidence."
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That's no different than any other complaint that the media/social media/crowd-outside frenzy "may have" influenced the jury. You gotta prove that it happened. "May have" ain't gonna cut it. And besides, how is that appeal going to be viewed in light of AH telling the jury to "look her up"?
 
Cardinal said:
That's no different than any other complaint that the media/social media/crowd-outside frenzy "may have" influenced the jury. You gotta prove that it happened. "May have" ain't gonna cut it. And besides, how is that appeal going to be viewed in light of AH telling the jury to "look her up"?
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She also made a big deal about the week break, like the jury couldn't go that long without looking at social media or the news, when that isn't even an appealable issue because she agreed to not make it one to get the trial date they got.
 
Desert Storm said:
I'm still shocked the UK judge ruled against Depp in light of all the evidence
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I'm not. She didn't testify, she had a written statement. She only testified to its truthfulness. She wasn't cross examined by Depp like she was here. Then there are the clear conflicts of interest for the UK judge, who had multiple personal connections to the case. He believed Josh Drew over the police officers.
 
Desert Storm said:
This apparently will be the basis of her appeal. I dont think she'll get it though.
The vast majority of appeals are rejected:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/depp-heard-lawyers-comment-1.6474915

Social media attacks on Amber Heard may have influenced jury in libel trial, her lawyer says​

Amber Heard was "demonized" by ex-husband Johnny Depp's legal team and excoriated on social media during a sensational defamation trial that ended with a jury ordering her to pay Depp $15 million US, Heard's lawyer said Thursday.

Elaine Bredehoft, one of Heard's lead attorneys during the trial, said she believes the jury was influenced by a relentless barrage of social media posts condemning Heard and supporting Depp. She said Heard plans to appeal.

"These people were giving her death threats," Bredehoft said on CBS Mornings. "They threatened to microwave her baby. This is the kind of social media she was getting.

"It was like a Roman coliseum is the best way to describe the atmosphere here. And I have to believe that the jury, even though they're told not to go and look at anything, you know, they have weekends, they have families, they have social media."
Bredehoft also said some evidence that was allowed in a similar defamation lawsuit that Depp lost in the U.K. was suppressed in the lawsuit he filed in Virginia. In the U.K. case, the judge found that Depp assaulted Heard on a dozen occasions.

"We weren't allowed to tell the jury this," Bredehoft said on NBC's Today show. "So what did Depp's team learn from this? Demonize Amber. And suppress the evidence."
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An American circus, an insult to our system of justice.
 
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