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Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home
Wow....what are we coming to.
Papers please :shock:
You presented no facts. You presented what is equivalent to, "Wahh Wahh We have more people in prison than China and we are supposed to care about competition for lower persons imprisoned so we need to make more stuff legal and allow more people to commit crimes against others all in the name of reducing the number of people in prison wahh wahh."
If someone kicks down my door, I am automatically going to assume he is a home invader, and I will shoot him graveyard dead. If he turns out to have been a cop, then he should have announced himself by knocking on my door, and yelling "police".
This. You want to come busting into my place without warning, you can take your lumps like a common criminal.
If someone kicks down my door, I am automatically going to assume he is a home invader, and I will shoot him graveyard dead. If he turns out to have been a cop, then he should have announced himself by knocking on my door, and yelling "police".
"Because they can" is the most ignorant response.
There is a reason why these officers would go so far to do all this, and it is a hell of alot more complex than "Because we can".
It is an individual reason, not a "blanket" reason like you just used.
There is something specific to this situation that caused these guys to act like this...... just, I can't seem to find that information anywhere because nobody gives a rats ass apparently.
People like to blame a group of individuals personal reasons for becoming corrupt on the entirety maybe? Why find out the reasoning behind it if it takes away from our ability to call all law enforcement "crooked ass pigggzzz"
It's pretty easy for you to forget these facts I presented. The why it was easy was because you ignored them.
It's really funny, yet sad at the same time, that Amnesty International that the United States has far more people imprisoned, a supposedly free county, then communist China, a totalitarian regime.
This is a fact since the United States is number one in the world for the most people incarcerated. Got anything to dispute that?
The more people in prison is a result from more legislation making things illegal.
Do you realize that there are over 13,000 things that are illegal just under federal law alone?
More facts for you. Let me know when you have something that can possibly dispute my facts besides your Thin Blue Whine about defending police and government abuse of power.
The specific reasoning isn't really AS important in the sense that if the police forces themselves are not actively weeding out these corrupt cops (or maybe turning them to paper pushers) then you'll eventually be in a position like most third world countries where the cops shake people down in the same way that the street gangs do, where the good cops quit because they can't be associated with that kind of corruption...
It's not the first time where the social guardians have become corrupt and then acted against those they are intended to protect.
Are those facts or just your statements, I can't tell the difference.
Also, what reason do I have to believe Amnesty International?
But thats just the thing... the reasoning behind it is very important. No information was given in regards to the elderly lady in Atlanta shooting incident in regards to the police officers involved obtaining money or other personal gain from any of the falsified methods they obtained the warrants to make this 'drug bust' they were going to make. So, My curiosity leads me to wonder, why go through all the lying and perjury just to make an arrest? Pressure from the Chain of Command? Desire to make a name for yourself? I just don't get it... but those two reasons are the ONLY ones I can think of, and quite honestly, completely NOT worth the risks involved.
You ever notice how outside of the stories of Homicide cases of the 1970s and 80s.. you don't hear about this sort of corruption outside of Vice and Narcotics work?
I think that is the main reason why I have already vowed I will NEVER work in such focus areas within law enforcement, such as Vice and Narcotics.
Here is the thing, as long as the corruption is not caught, then these "hard charging" narcotics officers appear to be people who can get things done, make lots of narcotics arrests, and "make a name" for themselves within the department so they will look very good for future promotions. That is what I was referencing when I said "make a name for themselves." Its the only thing I can think of. And personally, if you have to lie and commit crimes in order to try to obtain a promotion, you are trying WAY TO DAMNED HARD.Or just these two cops feel themselves above the law / are sociopaths as it is. If that's not the case, then "making a name for yourself" what is the atmosphere these officers work in at the office?
What I mean is that there's something going on if these people can think that they are making a good name for themselves by acting THAT corrupt.
Well, when I said pressure from the chain of command, I meant the chain of command was putting alot of pressure on the unit (narcotics unit) to clean up problems in that area and possibly these guys were doing what they thought they needed to do in order to show some production so the chain of command would get off of their backs. Again, entirely unacceptable behavior, as no chain of command should expect officers to lie and commit crimes in order to reduce crime... it just doesn't fit.Or if this came down the chain of command... Think about what kind of command that must be, in the types of instances that are becoming more and common, it almost seems that, if this is what happened, that the commands were something along the lines of "show these people who is boss around here."
Sorry, but you forgot the fourth branch of government which is the people.
If someone kicks down my door, I am automatically going to assume he is a home invader, and I will shoot him graveyard dead. If he turns out to have been a cop, then he should have announced himself by knocking on my door, and yelling "police".
Here is the thing, as long as the corruption is not caught, then these "hard charging" narcotics officers appear to be people who can get things done, make lots of narcotics arrests, and "make a name" for themselves within the department so they will look very good for future promotions. That is what I was referencing when I said "make a name for themselves." Its the only thing I can think of.
And personally, if you have to lie and commit crimes in order to try to obtain a promotion, you are trying WAY TO DAMNED HARD.
Well, when I said pressure from the chain of command, I meant the chain of command was putting alot of pressure on the unit (narcotics unit) to clean up problems in that area and possibly these guys were doing what they thought they needed to do in order to show some production so the chain of command would get off of their backs. Again, entirely unacceptable behavior, as no chain of command should expect officers to lie and commit crimes in order to reduce crime... it just doesn't fit.
As a side, tell me, as someone that's in law enforcement, have YOU noticed a change in the officers in the past 5, 10, 15 years (however long you're able to speak for)
And that is one of the rightful and just checks on government force and aggression.
You're ridiculous. Shooting an officer is not a rightful and just check on government force and aggression.
Here's what this comes down to: This precedent has always existed. You have never been able to resist illegal cop entry into your home, this just consolidates that. The idiotic gun toting freaks in this topic who are saying they want to kill police officers to "teach the government thugs a lesson" are just that, idiotic gun toting freaks. Half of the people in this thread should be committed to a mental health facility with the **** that's been spewed in here.
As for a change in officers, I've been a federal agent for almost 20 years and I haven't noticed any big changes in new agents. I don't understand the direction of that question.
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