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Court Affirms Immunity for Cops Who Tased Gasoline-Soaked Man and Burned Him to Death

He should have shot and killed the man threatening to kill his family. .
This is such an ignorant statement. The suicidal man threatened to kill his family by setting himself on fire. That fact has already been established. So you believe it was the proper course of action for the police to set the guy on fire? Possibly killing the guys family by doing so? Your contention is completely absurd.
 
I agree that shooting him would've been better.
Most Republicans are great humanitarians, as well. But, calling in trained crises/suicide negotiators and waiting for them to arrive is the correct answer.
 
Remember nightsticks? The old standby when your subject is soaked in gasoline?
 
This post doesn't seem serious so it doesn't need a honest answer. Good luck buddy.
These days, if you're a cop that encounters a use of force situation the best option is to turn away and go home. There is a MASSIVE political movement to demonize cops and if anything goes wrong, no matter what the circumstances, you, the cop, are the one that will be hung out to dry. For example, the cop that shot the girl trying to stab another girl near Columbus, Ohio has been referred for prosecution. He was there as one suspect actively engaged another suspect in an act that was the textbook definition of "imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm" and since he shot the assailant he's now looking at the distinct possibility of a criminal prosecution.

There is no way to win if you're a cop. The left has gone "zero tolerance" on cops while simultaneously excusing any and all behavior related to why the cop is there in the first place. It's time to give the left exactly what they want and abandon the streets to the criminals. Let it all burn down and then we can start again.
 
Most Republicans are great humanitarians, as well. But, calling in trained crises/suicide negotiators and waiting for them to arrive is the correct answer.
Social workers should deal with anyone threatening to kill you. The rest of us should be protected by the police.
 
Police officers responded to a 911 call that Gabriel Eduardo Olivas was suicidal. When Officer Jeremias Guadarrama and Sergeant Ebony Jefferson arrived on the scene, Olivas had doused himself with gasoline and was threatening to burn the house down while other people were inside. Despite warnings from another officer on the scene, Officer Guadarrama tased Olivas; as expected, Olivas burst into flames. Olivas died from his injuries, and the house burned to the ground. The other inhabitants escaped. Olivas Family sued. Guadarrama and Jefferson argued that they were immune from the lawsuit. A panel of judges on the Fifth Circuit agreed and the lawsuit was dismissed. So even though the officer was warned not to taze the suspect ( because he was covered in gasoline) the officer did it anyway. And then successfully hid behind qualified immunity. Welcome to the home of the free. https://lawandcrime.com/civil-right...-gasoline-soaked-man-and-burned-him-to-death/
What kind of ****ing idiot would taze someone covered in gasoline?
 
Social workers should deal with anyone threatening to kill you. The rest of us should be protected by the police.
If, as you say, the police were concerned for the people the suicidal man was threatening to kill (which was his Family who were still in the house) then why didn't the police secure the Family before they set the guy on fire? This is a common problem with Republicans... They don't think things through to their logical conclusion.
 
These days, if you're a cop that encounters a use of force situation the best option is to turn away and go home. There is a MASSIVE political movement to demonize cops and if anything goes wrong, no matter what the circumstances, you, the cop, are the one that will be hung out to dry. For example, the cop that shot the girl trying to stab another girl near Columbus, Ohio has been referred for prosecution. He was there as one suspect actively engaged another suspect in an act that was the textbook definition of "imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm" and since he shot the assailant he's now looking at the distinct possibility of a criminal prosecution.

There is no way to win if you're a cop. The left has gone "zero tolerance" on cops while simultaneously excusing any and all behavior related to why the cop is there in the first place. It's time to give the left exactly what they want and abandon the streets to the criminals. Let it all burn down and then we can start again.
your entire comment is BS.
there ARE alternatives
go back and read my comment #11
your "the left" mantra btw has NOTHING to do with this story, it is only about a cop who made a bad decision.

GAWD!!
 
your entire comment is BS.
there ARE alternatives
go back and read my comment #11
your "the left" mantra btw has NOTHING to do with this story, it is only about a cop who made a bad decision.

GAWD!!
You didn't suggest anything other than "do something else".
 
ACTUALLY I DID!
No, you didn't -

What do cops do when someone is standing on a ledge of a roof threatening to jump?

my God man, cops need better training (and have that in some jurisdictions) on how to deal with suicidal people.

The END RESULT may have been the same, a dead man and a burnt down house, BUT the way THIS cop handled it, you can take the "may have" out of the equation.

What if there was a civilian present, and NO cop? The civilian would have only two choices, turn and run to save themselves, or try and talk down the person threatening to light themselves on fire.

THIS COP DIDN'T TRY!!!
 
These days, if you're a cop that encounters a use of force situation the best option is to turn away and go home.

We don't actually want your advice.
 
No, you didn't -
cops need better training (and have that in some jurisdictions) on how to deal with suicidal people.

talk down the person threatening to light themselves on fire.

ummmm, I could suggest a reading comprehension course

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These days, if you're a cop that encounters a use of force situation the best option is to turn away and go home.
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In this Instance, it would of been preferable if the cop HAD just turned around and gone home.
 
comment #11 by me
no one is responding to that one, only "bad cop" vs "he had no choice".
CAN ANYONE take off their biased hats and look at SOLUTIONS instead of just taking sides?
The cop was/is definitely bad. And he had choices!

Yeah, he should have tried to talk him down. Or simply do nothing. In lots of such cases there's not much to be done other than try to talk people down and simply wait. Hours, maybe days.

What he did instead was clearly intentional murder(given the fact that he was warned not to do it)!

But since there's absolutely no justice in the US, but rather a heinous and murderous totalitarian system, he got away with it, as did lots of other cops/prosecutors/judges who did lots of awful things!
 
That doesn't apply here. The guy threatened to kill his family, who was in the house,

the thing to understand though, is that the man was threatening harm to other innocents.
That's a HUGE LIE !!! fabricated by the murderous cops and their protectors...

It's curious that after 5 pages on this topic, no one bothered to look for details in this case. It's not that hard to find them, they are in the lawsuit document which is linked in the article cited in the first post: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.326760/gov.uscourts.txnd.326760.19.0.pdf

some excerpts:

Officer Guadarrama admitted in his statement that Mr. Olivas was in close proximity at the time, and was further a “safe distance away from his family members.” Officer Guadarrama further wrote something in the statement which was a blatant inconsistency, and which was not true. He wrote, “The female family member was right next to the suicidal male . . . .” He further falsely wrote, “I was afraid that if I fired my firearm a bullet from my service weapon could possibly strike the female family member due to the close proximity that she had next to the suicidal male.” Mr. Olivas could not be a “safe distance away from his family members” and at the same time be right next to a female family member. In fact, the truth was that Mr. Olivas was not right next to either his son or his wife – the only two family members in the room. Instead, the three police officers, Mr. Olivas’s wife, and Mr. Olivas’s son were generally in line facing Mr. Olivas at the time police officers chose to Tase Mr. Olivas. Neither Mr. Olivas’s wife or son was in such proximity to Mr. Olivas, such that there would have been any risk of either being shot had Officer Guadarrama chosen to shoot at Mr. Olivas with his firearm.

The call text allegedly further indicated that Mr. Olivas was threatening to burn down the house and was pouring gasoline in the house. However, there was no indication that Mr. Olivas was threatening to harm his wife, his son, or anyone else in the home, or that he had trapped and/or otherwise put any such persons in a position that they would be harmed if Mr. Olivas chose to kill himself.

Mr. Olivas did not threaten to harm his wife, son, or anyone else at the home, and he had not trapped, injured, harmed, or put anyone in his home in a position that such persons would be harmed or injured if Mr. Olivas actually chose to commit suicide.
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Once again, this description as to how to access the bedroom in which Mr. Olivas was located, and which was now on fire, showed how easy it would have been for Defendant police officers to have removed family members from the residence using the open front door (thereby avoided Tasing Mr. Olivas).
[...]
Mr. Olivas’s wife and son backed to the doorway, and then moved back into the room. However, they then remained generally in line with the three police officers and not adjacent to Mr. Olivas. Upon information and belief, Defendant officers did nothing to physically remove the family from the situation. It would have been reasonable to do so at that time, and before any interaction with Mr. Olivas had occurred.
etc.
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Summary:
1. suicidal man did not threaten to kill anyone, didn't "trap" anyone
2. wife and son were beside the officers and not near him when the incident happened, they were in no real danger
3. cops didn't do anything to remove the two family members from the room
4. lots of garbage and inconsistencies in statements from cops, also censorship from police dpt
Arlington police "appropriate taser use"

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Conclusion: intentional murder by the cop, the court acted like a criminal organization protecting one of their members!

Not much of a surprise for anyone who understands that there's no real judicial system in the US, but rather a criminal totalitarian system!
 
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