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The murder rate in the USA is roughly 5.3 per 100,000 people
Perhaps the most favorite game that the gun control crowd loves to play is to point out how countries with stricter gun laws have less murders. Countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan, all of which have very strict gun control, all have lower murder rates than a country such as the U.S.A. which is much more gun friendly. Making such claims is all fine and dandy if you want to cherry pick but just because a country has stricter gun laws doesn't mean it has a lower murder rate and just because a country is more gun friendly doesn't mean it has a higher murder rate.
Take for instance the country of South Africa. In South Africa they've got much stricter gun control than in the USA and they've also got a much higher murder rate. The murder rate in the USA is roughly 5.3 per 100,000 people whereas in South Africa its roughly 35.9 per 100,000 people. So in the country of South Africa with their much stricter gun laws they've got a murder rate that's close to 7 times higher than that of the much more gun friendly USA. So there you have it, stricter gun control does not mean less murders and if you point out countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan you're doing nothing but cherry picking and that's all there is to it.
It's also important to note that gun violence in the US is very concentrated. A big portion of the US murder rate is Democrats killing each other in inner city neighborhoods. Leave them out and the US is an extremely safe country.
Perhaps the most favorite game that the gun control crowd loves to play is to point out how countries with stricter gun laws have less murders. Countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan, all of which have very strict gun control, all have lower murder rates than a country such as the U.S.A. which is much more gun friendly. Making such claims is all fine and dandy if you want to cherry pick but just because a country has stricter gun laws doesn't mean it has a lower murder rate and just because a country is more gun friendly doesn't mean it has a higher murder rate.
Take for instance the country of South Africa. In South Africa they've got much stricter gun control than in the USA and they've also got a much higher murder rate. The murder rate in the USA is roughly 5.3 per 100,000 people whereas in South Africa its roughly 35.9 per 100,000 people. So in the country of South Africa with their much stricter gun laws they've got a murder rate that's close to 7 times higher than that of the much more gun friendly USA. So there you have it, stricter gun control does not mean less murders and if you point out countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan you're doing nothing but cherry picking and that's all there is to it.
And Brazil, they have gun control laws and a murder rate out of control.
Now compare the USA with a Western Country similar to the USA, not South Africa.
So you allege that people cherry-pick, and then you... cherry-pick? Nice.Perhaps the most favorite game that the gun control crowd loves to play is to point out how countries with stricter gun laws have less murders. Countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan, all of which have very strict gun control, all have lower murder rates than a country such as the U.S.A. which is much more gun friendly. Making such claims is all fine and dandy if you want to cherry pick but just because a country has stricter gun laws doesn't mean it has a lower murder rate and just because a country is more gun friendly doesn't mean it has a higher murder rate.
Take for instance the country of South Africa. In South Africa they've got much stricter gun control than in the USA and they've also got a much higher murder rate. The murder rate in the USA is roughly 5.3 per 100,000 people whereas in South Africa its roughly 35.9 per 100,000 people. So in the country of South Africa with their much stricter gun laws they've got a murder rate that's close to 7 times higher than that of the much more gun friendly USA. So there you have it, stricter gun control does not mean less murders and if you point out countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan you're doing nothing but cherry picking and that's all there is to it.
People are people, you don't get to cherry pick countries in order to reach the conclusion you want.
Yes you do.
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you absolutely judge yourselves with other countries similar to you.
It's also important to note that gun violence in the US is very concentrated. A big portion of the US murder rate is Democrats killing each other in inner city neighborhoods. Leave them out and the US is an extremely safe country.
Meanwhile, it isn't hard to find dozens of nations with decent gun control laws -- and perhaps more importantly, a culture less fanatical about guns than the US -- that have lower homicide rates,
So then the answer is to combat poverty, income inequality, and racism, not taking away gun rights.Gun control does not live in a vacuum. It is one of many factors that influences murder rates and violence.
The main factors that drive crime, murder and violence is poverty, income inequality and racism. Guns help to make those problems way worse. Banning guns goes a long way to lessen the impact, but as long as you dont combat poverty, income inequality and racism, then well you aint gonna get much done.
So move to one. This is the oldest BS argument on the book. We have drug and obesity epidemics, more gangsters and drug dealers than most of those countries have population. - just to mention a few factors.Perhaps the most favorite game that the gun control crowd loves to play is to point out how countries with stricter gun laws have less murders. Countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan, all of which have very strict gun control, all have lower murder rates than a country such as the U.S.A. which is much more gun friendly. Making such claims is all fine and dandy if you want to cherry pick but just because a country has stricter gun laws doesn't mean it has a lower murder rate and just because a country is more gun friendly doesn't mean it has a higher murder rate.
Take for instance the country of South Africa. In South Africa they've got much stricter gun control than in the USA and they've also got a much higher murder rate. The murder rate in the USA is roughly 5.3 per 100,000 people whereas in South Africa its roughly 35.9 per 100,000 people. So in the country of South Africa with their much stricter gun laws they've got a murder rate that's close to 7 times higher than that of the much more gun friendly USA. So there you have it, stricter gun control does not mean less murders and if you point out countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan you're doing nothing but cherry picking and that's all there is to it.
People are people, you don't get to cherry pick countries in order to reach the conclusion you want.
Why should I compare the USA to another western country? The gun banning crowd is always comparing the USA to countries such as the UK, Australia, and Japan and they're not western countries.And Brazil, they have gun control laws and a murder rate out of control.
Now compare the USA with a Western Country similar to the USA, not South Africa.
So then the problem is gangsters and drug dealers not guns.So move to one. This is the oldest BS argument on the book. We have drug and obesity epidemics, more gangsters and drug dealers than most of those countries have population. - just to mention a few factors.
Well, you're getting closer. Think gangsters and drug dealers WITH guns; now think that those gangsters and drug dealers don't buy their guns at Walmart or Joe's Gun Shop. They won't turn in their "assault weapons" or "high capacity magazines". But they WILL continue to account for a huge majority of the gun assaults and deaths.So then the problem is gangsters and drug dealers not guns.
Well, you're getting closer. Think gangsters and drug dealers WITH guns; now think that those gangsters and drug dealers don't buy their guns at Walmart or Joe's Gun Shop. They won't turn in their "assault weapons" or "high capacity magazines". But they WILL continue to account for a huge majority of the gun assaults and deaths.
And Brazil, they have gun control laws and a murder rate out of control.
Now compare the USA with a Western Country similar to the USA, not South Africa.
It's also important to note that gun violence in the US is very concentrated. A big portion of the US murder rate is Democrats killing each other in inner city neighborhoods. Leave them out and the US is an extremely safe country.
Exactly, and without background checks.They wouldn't get their guns from Walmart or Joe's Gun Shop, they would get them from illegal sources.
None of which makes a lick of difference to gun violence.So then the answer is to combat poverty, income inequality, and racism, not taking away gun rights.
Having strict laws does not mean much if they lack rigorous enforcement. For example, the US has strict recreational drug laws (a complete nationwide ban which has been in effect for decades), but due to lack of rigorous enforcement (especially on the demand side) it has loads of drug-related deaths and crime.
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