Could you have voted for Trump and still be a Christian

[jbander]

Yes. Do you?


No, I just don't hate people, no matter how "warped" in their beliefs they are...

Sorry , I just don't believe you , your whole life and politics is based on hatred.

 

[gfm7175]

Sorry your not doing a thing at all. We better start at a different point to get down to the nitty gritty,

Deny and Deflect... Nice, got the "Liberal D's" going in full force I see...

In the wars we have been in or the countries that appose us or countries or people that are your countries enemy's , do you hate them.

No.

Appose them,

Yes.

talk against them,

Yes.

point out their evil ways , Just wondering.

Yes.

None of that means that I hate them though.

 

[gfm7175]

I'm advocating that others should hate like you do?

Yes, you seem to be advocating for hating people.

I, however, advocate against hating people.

 

[RAMOSS]

One of these days you ought to step up and produce your evidence for a change that Christ is a myth.

BECAUSE FOR NOW IT'S JUST MORE OF YOUR USUAL HOT AIR.

Why, the claims for miracles make for it to be myth. The claim of 'the begotten son of God' makes it a myth. The claim for 'resurrection' makes it a myth. Oh,and virgin birth too. ..The concept of a miraculous birth is very much an archetype in myths.

And , of course, you do know that putting things in big bold letters just make it look frantic and desperate. That doesn't make it any more true.

 

[gfm7175]

Sorry , I just don't believe you , your whole life and politics is based on hatred.

J, You have no clue who I am or what I believe. You don't know me.

Do you see the "Conservative" label by my name and make assumptions based off of that?

What "hatred" have I shown?

First off, define the term. Second off, quote specific posts of mine which are full of "hatred"...

 

[Logicman]

Why, the claims for miracles make for it to be myth. The claim of 'the begotten son of God' makes it a myth. The claim for 'resurrection' makes it a myth. Oh,and virgin birth too. ..The concept of a miraculous birth is very much an archetype in myths.

You don't have an ounce of evidence from science or anywhere else to support any of those self-serving rants.

The myth is your misinformation.

 

[RAMOSS]

You don't have an ounce of evidence from science or anywhere else to support any of those self-serving rants.

The myth is your misinformation.

I noticed you are not able to show that any of those stories aren't myths, but merely go into denial. Isn't that amazing (Not).

 

[Logicman]

I noticed you are not able to show that any of those stories aren't myths, but merely go into denial. Isn't that amazing (Not).

So once more, Ramoss is woefully unable to back up his anti-Christianity arguments.

 

[RAMOSS]

So once more, Ramoss is woefully unable to back up his anti-Christianity arguments.

Apparently, you do not know the definition of a myth, nor can you support the fact the miracles, the miraculous birth, and the resurrection are anything more than stories...

The definition of a myth

a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

 

[jbander]

Deny and Deflect... Nice, got the "Liberal D's" going in full force I see...


No.


Yes.


Yes.


Yes.

None of that means that I hate them though.

How many people supported this country against the closest parallel that I can find . The Nazi party. How many do you think hated our number one enemy. So could you be convinced somehow to kill someone you don't hate but was just on the other side against this country. Don't even need the hate point to show that my normal reaction to the biggest threat and enemy this country has is totally normal. I hate the hate party in this country, they are by far my countries biggest threat and enemy this country has, hell that the world has.

 

[jbander]

J, You have no clue who I am or what I believe. You don't know me.

Do you see the "Conservative" label by my name and make assumptions based off of that?

What "hatred" have I shown?

First off, define the term. Second off, quote specific posts of mine which are full of "hatred"...

Well then we will try it this way anyone who supports scum bag , I just don't believe you , your whole life and politics is based on hatred all his supporters are that way.

 

[jbander]

Yes, you seem to be advocating for hating people.

I, however, advocate against hating people.

No I've only advocated for people to hate this countries biggest threat and enemy. I don't know why you people are so concerned about this , your just pushing air around trying to suggest that I am saying something that I'm not.

 

[Logician Man]

You don't have an ounce of evidence from science or anywhere else to support any of those self-serving rants.

The myth is your misinformation.

The virgin birth story was stolen from the Egyptian god claim of Horus,born of a virgin birth, looooong before the J.C. myth....Easter is based on the pagan holiday celebrating Ehster,the Pagan Goddess of Fertility....hence the 'Ehster Eggs.'

 

[Logicman]

Apparently, you do not know the definition of a myth, nor can you support the fact the miracles, the miraculous birth, and the resurrection are anything more than stories...

The definition of a myth

a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Yeah, well we all know that's not what's in your thinking when you claim the Jesus story is a myth. The myth you bring up is always, in your mind, that of a fairy tale. So nice try.

 

[Logicman]

The virgin birth story was stolen from the Egyptian god claim of Horus,born of a virgin birth, looooong before the J.C. myth....Easter is based on the pagan holiday celebrating Ehster,the Pagan Goddess of Fertility....hence the 'Ehster Eggs.'

Nope.

Claim: Horus was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)

Truth: Horus was NOT conceived of a virgin. In fact, mural and textual evidence from Egypt indicates Isis (there is no evidence that “Meri” was ever part of her name) hovered over the erect penis (she created) of Osiris to conceive Horus. While she may have been a virgin before the conception, she utilized Osiris’ penis to conceive. She later had another son with Osiris as well. There is no evidence of three wise men as part of the Horus story at all. Seb was actually the “earth god”; He was not Horus’ earthly father. Seb is not the equivalent of Joseph and, in most cases, Seb is described as Osiris’ father.

"In the end, similarities between Jesus and mythological precursors fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. The historical veracity of Jesus is determined from the evidence supporting the reliability of the eyewitness accounts. Jesus is not simply a retelling of the Horus myth. While Horus worship is now a dead religion, Christianity continues to thrive. Why? Because the Christian records are reliable (for more on this, please refer to Cold-Case Christianity). Skeptics sometimes portray Horus as something he isn’t in order to keep us from believing in Jesus as something He is. But the reliable Biblical record establishes the Deity of Jesus in a way no other ancient mythological text could ever hope to achieve."

Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Horus Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity

p.s. Easter isn't even mentioned in either the Old or New Testaments.

Have you ever read the Bible?

 

[RAMOSS]

Yeah, well we all know that's not what's in your thinking when you claim the Jesus story is a myth. The myth you bring up is always, in your mind, that of a fairy tale. So nice try.

I do not see any evidence that the miracles , or the supernatural claims about jesus in the bible are anything more than just stories. THe Gospels are neither independent from each other, or historical in nature.

 

[Logician Man]

Nope.

Claim: Horus was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)

Truth: Horus was NOT conceived of a virgin. In fact, mural and textual evidence from Egypt indicates Isis (there is no evidence that “Meri” was ever part of her name) hovered over the erect penis (she created) of Osiris to conceive Horus. While she may have been a virgin before the conception, she utilized Osiris’ penis to conceive. She later had another son with Osiris as well. There is no evidence of three wise men as part of the Horus story at all. Seb was actually the “earth god”; He was not Horus’ earthly father. Seb is not the equivalent of Joseph and, in most cases, Seb is described as Osiris’ father.

"In the end, similarities between Jesus and mythological precursors fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. The historical veracity of Jesus is determined from the evidence supporting the reliability of the eyewitness accounts. Jesus is not simply a retelling of the Horus myth. While Horus worship is now a dead religion, Christianity continues to thrive. Why? Because the Christian records are reliable (for more on this, please refer to Cold-Case Christianity). Skeptics sometimes portray Horus as something he isn’t in order to keep us from believing in Jesus as something He is. But the reliable Biblical record establishes the Deity of Jesus in a way no other ancient mythological text could ever hope to achieve."

Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Horus Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity

p.s. Easter isn't even mentioned in either the Old or New Testaments.

Have you ever read the Bible?

Yes 4 times cover to cover/3 versions.....never said Easter was mentioned in the bible,did I?...and yes,the virgin birth myth was stolen from Horus,then bastardized (no pun intended)...But it's all a moot point as none of the 40,000 god claims have been proven to be factual. not that it matters to me personally,but your link is clearly biased to your personal beliefs,which is fine for you....not so much for me. oh..one last thing you seem to either ignore or fail to acknowledge.The bible,just as all holy texts,is the claim,not the proof....It's called 'circular reasoning'..You may want to check out what that term means...maybe not

 

[Logicman]

Yes 4 times cover to cover/3 versions.....never said Easter was mentioned in the bible,did I?...and yes,the virgin birth myth was stolen from Horus,the bastardized (no pun intended)...But it's all a moot point as none of the 40,000 god claims have been proven to be factual. not hat it matters to me personally,but your link is clearly biased to your personal beliefs,which is fine for you....not so much for me.

The precursors for Jesus are seen in the Old Testament. There need not be any others.

Second, you have no evidence Jesus was based on Horus or any other pagan figure. None. What you have is your opinion.

Third, here's "23 REASONS WHY SCHOLARS KNOW JESUS IS NOT A COPY OF PAGAN RELIGIONS"

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/01...-know-jesus-is-not-a-copy-of-pagan-religions/

 

[Logicman]

I do not see any evidence that the miracles , or the supernatural claims about jesus in the bible are anything more than just stories. THe Gospels are neither independent from each other, or historical in nature.

Then you are blinded to the truth. Many posters have noted that over the years.

 

[Logician Man]

The precursors for Jesus are seen in the Old Testament. There need not be any others.

Second, you have no evidence Jesus was based on Horus or any other pagan figure. None. What you have is your opinion.

Third, here's "23 REASONS WHY SCHOLARS KNOW JESUS IS NOT A COPY OF PAGAN RELIGIONS"

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/01...-know-jesus-is-not-a-copy-of-pagan-religions/

What part of one can't use the bible to prove the bible do you not understand?

 

[gfm7175]

Yes, you seem to be advocating for hating people.

I, however, advocate against hating people.

No I've only advocated for people to hate this countries biggest threat and enemy. I don't know why you people are so concerned about this , your just pushing air around trying to suggest that I am saying something that I'm not.

Thanks for proving my point... you're making this WAY too easy for me.

 

[gfm7175]

J, You have no clue who I am or what I believe. You don't know me.

Do you see the "Conservative" label by my name and make assumptions based off of that?

What "hatred" have I shown?

First off, define the term. Second off, quote specific posts of mine which are full of "hatred"...

Well then we will try it this way anyone who supports scum bag , I just don't believe you , your whole life and politics is based on hatred all his supporters are that way.

Again, you don't know me J... we've never discussed each other's politics and beliefs before... you're entering into this making MANY completely unfounded assumptions... and here you go again tossing around "hatred", but having no proof of it and having no definition of what it even is...

Plus, you have no clue about any of my views of Trump. Conservatives don't like or support everything that he does... they aren't like the typical leftist that way...

 

[gfm7175]

How many people supported this country against the closest parallel that I can find . The Nazi party.

This is ridiculous, J... Has Trump rounded up Jews and been gassing them and trying to exterminate them? I don't think so...

How many do you think hated our number one enemy. So could you be convinced somehow to kill someone you don't hate but was just on the other side against this country. Don't even need the hate point to show that my normal reaction to the biggest threat and enemy this country has is totally normal. I hate the hate party in this country, they are by far my countries biggest threat and enemy this country has, hell that the world has.

After that first point, the rest of your comment doesn't warrant a response...

 

[tosca1]

I just don't get you clowns do you care what your enemy thinks and says about you, do you care what a criminal thinks ablution you, do you care if a subhuman thinks about you. Do you care what a total liar says about you. The real point is that I don't care what the enemy's of my country say or think about me. and I don't see why anyone would. BY the way what the hell am I arguing about here that says I care about what you think. That just goofy.

We're not talking about us. I'm talking about you.
Look - your being sooooo defensive! You even try to explain.
If you truly don't give a damn what we think about you - you'll just ignore what we say. Action speaks louder than words.

 

[tosca1]

Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post
Yes 4 times cover to cover/3 versions.....never said Easter was mentioned in the bible,did I?...and yes,the virgin birth myth was stolen from Horus,the bastardized (no pun intended)..

Yooo-hoooo? That's fake news. There is no virgin birth with Horus! You're regurgitating ignorance written by ignorant anti-Christians.


That's why I created a thread about Horus - makes it easier to stop the bs, and point out the ignorance. :mrgreen:
All we need to do is give the link, and the rebuttal is there!





There are more other bs claims. Here, read this. Check out Post #3 for other claims.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...s-and-their-so-called-similarities-jesus.html


Believe it or not, I found this desperate plea from Richard Dawkins site:

........ regarding the Horus myth and its alleged similarity with the Jesus myth.

The problem I got into is: I found quite some well done and reasonable-sounding claims of this, but when I tried to search for real evidence I didn't get far.

I found these claims whereever I looked:

Horus supposedly:

Was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds
Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30
Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded
Had 12 disciples
Performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water
Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”
Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings
Was transfigured on the Mount
Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected
Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”
Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years

These points are repeated wherever I tried to find real evidence. If they are true … well, that would be devastating for Christianity. But to write anything about it in a scientific manner I'd really need something more then repeated claims.

Does anyone here have more info on this?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...s-and-their-so-called-similarities-jesus.html

:lol:


Of course, now we know why he's desperately asking for help searching something to support those bs claims!
We know now why he can't find any. Because, that's just what they are.....pure bs!