Could more K9s be a Solution?

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The students know, but they're not talking. The dog knows, too, and is happy to show his handler where it is.

The schools all have the combinations to all of the lockers. You could find out what is in each locker without a dog. And without making kids put two and two together, when they learn about WW2 and how they used dogs to search for Jews.

Whats next walking those dogs near everyone's house? Obviously you see it as being a benign activity, do you feel the same way about stop and frisk?

 

[Dittohead not!]

The schools all have the combinations to all of the lockers. You could find out what is in each locker without a dog. And without making kids put two and two together, when they learn about WW2 and how they used dogs to search for Jews.

Whats next walking those dogs near everyone's house? Obviously you see it as being a benign activity, do you feel the same way about stop and frisk?

The Nazis used dogs because they were effective. People Godwin the threads, even though it's not effective.
There would be no purpose to walking dogs past people's houses.
The dogs aren't frisking anyone.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The Nazis used dogs because they were effective. People Godwin the threads, even though it's not effective.
There would be no purpose to walking dogs past people's houses.
The dogs aren't frisking anyone.

Personally I dont care about gowins law, it certainly wont stop me from making the obvious connection between the methods of a totalitarian regime and wtf dogs represent when y=used by the government to sniff innocent citizens for something that shouldnt even be illegal in the first place. Guns in most instances are not illegal. Drugs shouldnt be anymore illegal than another drug called alcohol. And kids shouldnt be doing either. ANd it is the schools responsibility to keep it off of their campus.

There would be no need to bring dogs into a school if the staff were doing their jobs. And for the record we always kept our stash somewhere other than a stupid ****ing locker ffs.

 

[WillyPete]

We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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It's got potential, might save a few lives.

It does require special training, so it'll be expensive. Also, if a suspect DOES have a gun, we'll need to be prepared to lose dogs. K-9's are cherished by their handlers, so sending them in against a gun (even if only potential) is a tall order.

Consider too that it's not going do much for a suspect completely whacked out on PCP or similar drugs. You just go from freaked out nutcase who won't listen to that plus dog bites. Dogs could be trained to disarm, but the police would still have to expose themselves to danger to control the situation.

 

[SMTA]

We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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Dogs don't take the place of guns.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Personally I dont care about gowins law, it certainly wont stop me from making the obvious connection between the methods of a totalitarian regime and wtf dogs represent when y=used by the government to sniff innocent citizens for something that shouldnt even be illegal in the first place. Guns in most instances are not illegal. Drugs shouldnt be anymore illegal than another drug called alcohol. And kids shouldnt be doing either. ANd it is the schools responsibility to keep it off of their campus.

There would be no need to bring dogs into a school if the staff were doing their jobs. And for the record we always kept our stash somewhere other than a stupid ****ing locker ffs.

The job of the staff is to educate students. They're not cops.

And, had your high school used dogs, your stash would have been quickly found whether you hid it in a locker or not. Think how much better the school would have been without drug addled students.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The job of the staff is to educate students. They're not cops.

And, had your high school used dogs, your stash would have been quickly found whether you hid it in a locker or not. Think how much better the school would have been without drug addled students.

It appears that you dont really know much about what the school staff is doing. Part of the staffs responsibility is policing the students. You cannot really expect cops to show up at every moment of the day.

And no my stash would not have been quickly found. We kept it at friends house nearby. Sure a dog could smell it on us (hell anyone could). But we had nothing on us nor was there a clue to where it would be. I suppose a little police work could have figured it out, but really we were not causing any problems for anyone. Hell it probably kept us out of actual trouble.

 

[Dittohead not!]

It appears that you dont really know much about what the school staff is doing. Part of the staffs responsibility is policing the students. You cannot really expect cops to show up at every moment of the day.

And no my stash would not have been quickly found. We kept it at friends house nearby. Sure a dog could smell it on us (hell anyone could). But we had nothing on us nor was there a clue to where it would be. I suppose a little police work could have figured it out, but really we were not causing any problems for anyone. Hell it probably kept us out of actual trouble.

It's not the job of the teachers to go find your stash at someone else's house. Their job is to teach you reading, writing, math, science, history.
and if it wasn't causing a problem, why would the adults even care about it?

If you kept it off campus, then the dog wouldn't have been able to find it anyway. If someone had been foolish enough to bring it to school, then it would have been found rather quickly by dog. The issue is selling drugs at school. Most parents take a rather dim view of that sort of thing.

If one of the students had a gun kept off campus, that's not a problem, at least not for the school. Having a gun is not illegal. If one of them decided to bring one to school, a dog would have found it long before it could have caused any problems.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

It's not the job of the teachers to go find your stash at someone else's house. Their job is to teach you reading, writing, math, science, history.
and if it wasn't causing a problem, why would the adults even care about it?



If you kept it off campus, then the dog wouldn't have been able to find it anyway. If someone had been foolish enough to bring it to school, then it would have been found rather quickly by dog. The issue is selling drugs at school. Most parents take a rather dim view of that sort of thing.

If one of the students had a gun kept off campus, that's not a problem, at least not for the school. Having a gun is not illegal. If one of them decided to bring one to school, a dog would have found it long before it could have caused any problems.

Well I never said teachers do anything in respect to peoples houses. It was ridiculous of you to say so. But what happened to letting teachers carry a firearm?

I can see using the abilities of a dog to help in a legitimate investigation (under certain rare circumstances). But using dogs on random people and property is very authoritarian type behavior. And to increase that type of behavior is a bad thing. So if there is a legit police investigation that they need to find something in a school of course a dog would be handy. Other than that just open the damn lockers and look in them. Thats why we didnt take our weed and store it in the lockers in the first place. AT least that method doesnt get a false hit from the dog and potentially ruin a students career. Dogs are not perfect, you know right? What happens when the dog smells something good and gets excited about it? Sure a check of the locker will come up empty but now they are going to think that their was something to it.

At any rate that is really sidetracking a little. The OP asserted that more dogs terrorizing criminals would get less people shot. I do not agree that a society where we spend a bunch of money on dogs to illegally search us all the time is a good idea.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Well I never said teachers do anything in respect to peoples houses. It was ridiculous of you to say so. But what happened to letting teachers carry a firearm?

Well, you did say:

There would be no need to bring dogs into a school if the staff were doing their jobs.

and are you now suggesting that the teachers shoot kids who bring drugs to school?

I can see using the abilities of a dog to help in a legitimate investigation (under certain rare circumstances). But using dogs on random people and property is very authoritarian type behavior. And to increase that type of behavior is a bad thing. So if there is a legit police investigation that they need to find something in a school of course a dog would be handy.

It is legit for the school authorities to look for drugs and weapons at school. It is legit for the cops to do the same, of course.

Other than that just open the damn lockers and look in them.

Why bother when a dog can do it so much faster and more efficiently?

Thats why we didnt take our weed and store it in the lockers in the first place. AT least that method doesnt get a false hit from the dog and potentially ruin a students career. Dogs are not perfect, you know right? What happens when the dog smells something good and gets excited about it? Sure a check of the locker will come up empty but now they are going to think that their was something to it.

A dog is far more accurate than a human. If the dog smells something, then the human knows where to look. If it's a student who has been smoking weed away from school, then the humans won't find anything.

and the teachers have better things to do than search lockers, like teaching kids the difference between their and there.

At any rate that is really sidetracking a little. The OP asserted that more dogs terrorizing criminals would get less people shot. I do not agree that a society where we spend a bunch of money on dogs to illegally search us all the time is a good idea.

I still have to disagree. I think it's better for a dog to find a gun or a bomb being smuggled into a crowded place than it is for said weapon to be used against innocent people. It's better for a dog to find drugs in a student's locker or pocket, or wherever than it is for teens to grow up addicted.

And dogs have capabilities that humans don't have. We've lived in symbiosis with them for tens of thousands of years now for that reason. Why would we want to end that relationship now?

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Well, you did say:



and are you now suggesting that the teachers shoot kids who bring drugs to school?

Nice try. But notice that I said staff and not teachers...duh.

It is legit for the school authorities to look for drugs and weapons at school. It is legit for the cops to do the same, of course.

Yea its legit, and I didnt say it wasnt legit, but you are just trying to manipulate my words.

Why bother when a dog can do it so much faster and more efficiently?

Why get out of bed in the morning?

A dog is far more accurate than a human. If the dog smells something, then the human knows where to look. If it's a student who has been smoking weed away from school, then the humans won't find anything.

and the teachers have better things to do than search lockers, like teaching kids the difference between their and there.

Teachers teach, the schools staff manages the teachers and the students. A dog is not far more accurate than a human. And cops alone do not search lockers the principle and/or vice principle is usually there.

I still have to disagree. I think it's better for a dog to find a gun or a bomb being smuggled into a crowded place than it is for said weapon to be used against innocent people. It's better for a dog to find drugs in a student's locker or pocket, or wherever than it is for teens to grow up addicted.

And dogs have capabilities that humans don't have. We've lived in symbiosis with them for tens of thousands of years now for that reason. Why would we want to end that relationship now?

I am not talking about if its better for a dog as opposed to a human finding guns and bombs. So dont try to tell me that I need to defend that crap. I really wish that you would have a conversation with me rather than with yourself. If you just want to make up **** fine but dont use my posts to do it.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

i think putting down the riots could be a solution. no more tear gas. no more dogs. live ammunition, disperse the thugs.

 

[Patrickt]

Let's look at it this way:

You have a lethal tool and a non lethal tool. Which would you prefer an officer use on a non compliant and resisting suspect?

Ps

The problem isn't about "officer discretion." Most officers exercise wonderful discretion. But the people they encounter are too stupid and unreasonable to comply.


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How about a non-lethal tool that a police officer can actually control?

 

[Patrickt]

what a load of crap. you think people who constantly have to deal with police harassment wont at some point, at least verbally, lash out?

What a load of crap. Guess who has to constantly deal with police harassment? Not black people. I know black people who've never been "harassed". What people, regardless of race, face constant harassment? Crooks. Thugs. Punks. Dickheads. We just have liberal established groups that can whine, "It's not because I robbed that store. It's just because I'm black or I'm a woman or I'm gay or I'm old." I know old farts, my age, who whine that they got tickets just because they were old.

No, the people constantly being harassed are not defined by skin color. The ones claiming they're constantly harassed because of skin color are confusing skin color with behavior.

 

[Casper]

How about a non-lethal tool that a police officer can actually control?

There is no such tool. How about perps do as they are told by LEO's.

 

[Patrickt]

There is no such tool. How about perps do as they are told by LEO's.

A police officer can control pepper spray. A police officer can control a taser. A police officer can control a baton. A police officer can control his hands.

K-9 units have a place in policing and, in my opinion, it isn't on routine patrol.

 

[blackjack50]

Water cannons are the answer.

The only reason we don't use water cannons is because of the 1960s. It is a publicity thing. They are very effective when you have incidents like Charolette.


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[Ikari]

We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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Releasing the hounds, eh? I suppose possibly, but then you're leaving law enforcement in the paws of an animal. Also people will shoot them, if some big ol' dog was charging at my ass I'd shoot it. Then the cops would take it as cause to shoot the suspect.

 

[Port & Starboard]

 

[Casper]

A police officer can control pepper spray. A police officer can control a taser. A police officer can control a baton. A police officer can control his hands.

K-9 units have a place in policing and, in my opinion, it isn't on routine patrol.

ALL of which have resulted in the death of perps, how many perps have dogs killed?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Nice try. But notice that I said staff and not teachers...duh.


Yea its legit, and I didnt say it wasnt legit, but you are just trying to manipulate my words.




Why get out of bed in the morning?




Teachers teach, the schools staff manages the teachers and the students. A dog is not far more accurate than a human. And cops alone do not search lockers the principle and/or vice principle is usually there.





I am not talking about if its better for a dog as opposed to a human finding guns and bombs. So dont try to tell me that I need to defend that crap. I really wish that you would have a conversation with me rather than with yourself. If you just want to make up **** fine but dont use my posts to do it.

Then you need to pay more attention in English class and improve your communication skills. I haven't tried to make anything up that you haven't said.

The high school staff consists mainly of teachers, whose job it is to educate youth, not run around checking lockers.
The high school staff has a right to search lockers for pot, but they do have better things to do. A dog can save a lot of time. Anyway, why bother if the kids are keeping their stash off campus?
Cops can't search lockers without probable cause, but then, they have better things to do as well anyway.
Dogs can also find more important things, like weapons for example, or hard drugs for sale. A dog finding a gun on campus before it can be fired is much better than an armed staff member or cop taking out a shooter after he's started to do his thing.

 

[Rosie1]

I'm all for the canines. My hubby was a first responder for many years. You cannot imagine the amount dog bites he had to treat. Lack of intelligence is a part of criminality. Running from the dog is not smart. I think officers might shoot less if the dog is involved. Maybe they don't mind shooting at the fleeing criminal. But, they definitely don't want to hit their beloved dog.

 

[instagramsci]

black people who've never been "harassed". .

Cool does that negate all the black people I know who were harassed

Like just the other night when a friend of mine was escorting his girlfriend back to her car and was harassed by some dickhead cops asking him what he was doing there and for his ID. I've been in the same neighborhood at all times of the night and never once been stopped. The difference between me and my friend is that he's black. FFS he's lived in that neighborhood his whole life

 

[bmr528]

Cool does that negate all the black people I know who were harassed

Like just the other night when a friend of mine was escorting his girlfriend back to her car and was harassed by some dickhead cops asking him what he was doing there and for his ID. I've been in the same neighborhood at all times of the night and never once been stopped. The difference between me and my friend is that he's black. FFS he's lived in that neighborhood his whole life

I really don't know if your friend was harassed,, was he beaten? shot? tased? pepper sprayed? did he get bite by a police dog? did they hand cuff him? I pulled up to a "check point" coming out of Yosemite one night late,, knowing that they had NO reason to ask me for my license or any info, was not speeding, drinking, committing any crimes. they were polite ( told me I had a head light out ) sent me on my way in 45 seconds, All it really meant was I'll be 45 seconds later in getting home..

djl

 

[Mr Person]

We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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Can someone please explain why the people who talk the most about opposing government abuse of power almost uniformly defend excessive use of force by government agents on civilians?

Aren't actions like loosing attack dogs to teach people lessons and shooting unarmed people for not getting on the ground immediately the absolutely most direct and impactful abuse of government power possible?



Why cheer on this sort of thing, but whine about stuff like being required to buy health insurance so you are actually paying your own way?