Cosmological Argument - Discussion

[Angel]

Certainly, you have right to believe what you want to think is true, even if it is not.

And based on what evidence in your possession do you suggest that my beliefs may be false?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Some questions cannot be answered with certainty or exactness.

Correct, so anyone who claims to know the answer is only fooling themselves.

 

[calamity]

And based on what evidence in your possession do you suggest that my beliefs may be false?

"Beliefs" usually are.

 

[NWO_Spook]

 

[devildavid]

I've got the universe, life on Earth, consciousness, you and me to support my beliefs.

You are being redundant. The universe includes everything.

As for supporting your beliefs, the universe is irrelevant. Your beliefs require no support except for your desire to hold them. Same for every individuals beliefs. No support needed to hold them. The only time beliefs require support is when believers claim that their beliefs equal everyone else's reality.

 

[Individual]

Correct, so anyone who claims to know the answer is only fooling themselves.

While we may never know exactly how the universe came into existence, what we have learned has NOT required dependency on involvement of a God.

 

[Divine_Wind]

While we may never know exactly how the universe came into existence, what we have learned has NOT required dependency on involvement of a God.

Really? Evidence please. I'd love to know what we've learned what is not the cause of the Universe's existence.

 

[Individual]

And based on what evidence in your possession do you suggest that my beliefs may be false?

I, and others who simply lack a belief in the existence of a being or beings fitting your definition of a God(s), are NOT trying to PROVE your beliefs to be false, but simply stating the fact that there is no useful value in applying/including an unproven/unprovable belief in seeking answers to questions.

 

[Individual]

Really? Evidence please. I'd love to know what we've learned what is not the cause of the Universe's existence.

Things like a tuna salad sandwich left uneaten for aeons.

 

[JustHanging]

And based on what evidence in your possession do you suggest that my beliefs may be false?

We can't be 100% sure, but generally storybook characters like Harry Potter and God-Jesus don't pop into existence and do ****. Just sayin'.

 

[Angel]

"Beliefs" usually are.

All knowledge is belief, whereas only some belief is knowledge. I think you're thinking of the some that isn't knowledge, and thinking of that fraction as religious faith only, which is not quite right either.

 

[Angel]

I, and others who simply lack a belief in the existence of a being or beings fitting your definition of a God(s), are NOT trying to PROVE your beliefs to be false, but simply stating the fact that there is no useful value in applying/including an unproven/unprovable belief in seeking answers to questions.

No useful value for you perhaps (and whether use = truth is moot of course), but based on what evidence in your possession do you presume to say that my beliefs have no useful value to me?

 

[Angel]

We can't be 100% sure, but generally storybook characters like Harry Potter and God-Jesus don't pop into existence and do ****. Just sayin'.

Yeah, you're "just sayin" nothin' as usual.

 

[Individual]

No useful value for you perhaps (and whether use = truth is moot of course), but based on what evidence in your possession do you presume to say that my beliefs have no useful value to me?

I've never claimed YOUR beliefs have no useful value to YOU, but aside from religion you've presented nothing I find useful in answering questions about what exists or how/when/why things came into existence.

Since you brought it up, perhaps you would provide an example of HOW you put your belief to use?

 

[Angel]

You are being redundant. The universe includes everything.

As for supporting your beliefs, the universe is irrelevant. Your beliefs require no support except for your desire to hold them. Same for every individuals beliefs. No support needed to hold them. The only time beliefs require support is when believers claim that their beliefs equal everyone else's reality.

This silliness in your post is only your belief, you know. What am I saying? "You know"? Of course you don't. This is the hallmark of your contrarian posts.

 

[Angel]

I've never claimed YOUR beliefs have no useful value to YOU, but aside from religion you've presented nothing I find useful in answering questions about what exists or how/when/why things came into existence.

Since you brought it up, perhaps you would provide an example of HOW you put your belief to use?

We can review our exchange of posts if necessary, but it appears, under interrogation, that all you're saying in the end is that my beliefs are not useful to you.
So I am obliged to ask you: So what?

 

[Individual]

We can review our exchange of posts if necessary, but it appears, under interrogation, that all you're saying in the end is that my beliefs are not useful to you.
So I am obliged to ask you: So what?

Maybe if you would opine your beliefs as what they are, simply beliefs NOT proven/provable facts, there would be little to argue over.

 

[Angel]

Maybe if you would opine your beliefs as what they are, simply beliefs NOT proven/provable facts, there would be little to argue over.

You haven't answered the question: So what if my beliefs aren't useful to you?

 

[Individual]

You haven't answered the question: So what if my beliefs aren't useful to you?

I don't apply them.

 

[Angel]

I don't apply them.

Good. Don't apply them. They're my beliefs, not yours. But why decry them?

 

[Individual]

Good. Don't apply them. They're my beliefs, not yours. But why decry them?

Because when you attempt to present your beliefs as having proof, I expect such a claim to present undeniable supporting evidence.

Put up, or give up.

 

[Angel]

Because when you attempt to present your beliefs as having proof, I expect such a claim to present undeniable supporting evidence.

Put up, or give up.

Why? What's it to you?
And do your beliefs have proof?

 

[devildavid]

This silliness in your post is only your belief, you know. What am I saying? "You know"? Of course you don't. This is the hallmark of your contrarian posts.

And again with ad hominem.

I am not being contrarian. You always post things that I disagree with.

 

[devildavid]

Good. Don't apply them. They're my beliefs, not yours. But why decry them?

Why do you decry those who don't share your beliefs? Most of your threads are decrying this.

 

[Individual]

Why? What's it to you?
And do your beliefs have proof?

Because IMO spreading beliefs as factual truths is dishonest.
What belief are you referring to?