Cops scan social media to help assess your ‘threat rating’

[clownboy]

Why do you do this? I never said they should have no access, I said a computer algorith shouldn't do thier work for them and assign threat ratings based on non-human intel gathering.

I simply asked about an AK. I never said anything about the rest. Is ownership alone enough to warrant an escalated response for something as simple as a traffic stop?

Please don't embellesh your answer to something I never asked.




Humans assess possible threats, this is a computer assigning you a threat level based on your facebook posts.

Don't try to pretend you have clue one how the algorithm works in assigning threat level. It may be dead on correct 99.9999 percent of the time. Your argument seems to be the old excuse that the computer screwed up my stuff. Depending upon how the program is written computers can indeed accurately assess threats to the same degree of certainty humans can. The difference? Computers can handle a lot more information, a great many more sources of information and even determine the accuracy, double checking the information much, much faster and more reliably than humans can.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Don't try to pretend you have clue one how the algorithm works in assigning threat level. It may be dead on correct 99.9999 percent of the time.

In my business we use threat assessment algorithms for all sorts of cyber attacks and what not. we're not "5 nines" accurate, no one is. Your "what if" is a simple attempt to avoid my point.

Your argument seems to be the old excuse that the computer screwed up my stuff.

Nope, your debate style is trying to give me arguments I never made then dismissing them as absurd.

Depending upon how the program is written computers can indeed accurately assess threats to the same degree of certainty humans can.

And what credentials do you have to back this claim up.

The difference? Computers can handle a lot more information, a great many more sources of information and even determine the accuracy, double checking the information much, much faster and more reliably than humans can.

nonsense, this program looks at all your postings and other databases, and without understanding both context and emotion spits out a threat rating.


And you once again avoided my direct question.

Is ownership alone of a gun, or an AK, enough to warrant an escalated response for something as simple as a traffic stop? please provide your answer.

 

[clownboy]

In my business we use threat assessment algorithms for all sorts of cyber attacks and what not. we're not "5 nines" accurate, no one is. Your "what if" is a simple attempt to avoid my point.




Nope, your debate style is trying to give me arguments I never made then dismissing them as absurd.



And what credentials do you have to back this claim up.





nonsense, this program looks at all your postings and other databases, and without understanding both context and emotion spits out a threat rating.


And you once again avoided my direct question.

Is ownership alone of a gun, or an AK, enough to warrant an escalated response for something as simple as a traffic stop? please provide your answer.

No, my "debate style" has your arguments pegged dead on. If I were writing the code, no, simple ownership wouldn't be enough to elevate the threat level. However, I sorely doubt that's the sole metric in making the determination for increasing the threat level.

You want an example? Circuit testing software. Humans can do it, taking thousands of individual measurements and assessing the reliability of circuits in various scenarios of use. It just takes a whole hell of a lot longer and is more error prone than doing it by machine.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No, my "debate style" has your arguments pegged dead on.

NO, your debate style is to lie about what I said. Then dismiss it as absurd. I've corrected your lies more than once, and even here, caught lying about my position, you stand without culpability or remorse for your dishonesty.

If I were writing the code, no,

Oh really? So you can write code that would account for context, sarcasm, emotion, with a "%99.999999" accuracy?

You would revolutionize the world as we know it, you should get started!

simple ownership wouldn't be enough to elevate the threat level. However, I sorely doubt that's the sole metric in making the determination for increasing the threat level.

We don't know what the metric would be, where would you put it? an AK and membership in oathkeepers?

AK and some gadnesen flags on my FB page?

Membership in the libertarian party?

You want an example? Circuit testing software. Humans can do it, taking thousands of individual measurements and assessing the reliability of circuits in various scenarios of use. It just takes a whole hell of a lot longer and is more error prone than doing it by machine.

Do simple circuits have emotion, are they sarcastic? I find the comparison wanting at best.

 

[whysoserious]

Oh really? So you can write code that would account for context, sarcasm, emotion, with a "%99.999999" accuracy?

You would revolutionize the world as we know it, you should get started!

Here I am struggling to write code to add a button that spits out the raw supporting data for my boss, and clownboy is apparently 1 step away from AI.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Here I am struggling to write code to add a button that spits out the raw supporting data for my boss, and clownboy is apparently 1 step away from AI.

Ironiclly, I wonder if the program in question in this thread would raise my level based on:

"You would revolutionize the world as we know it, you should get started!"

 

[whysoserious]

Ironiclly, I wonder if the program in question in this thread would raise my level based on:

"You would revolutionize the world as we know it, you should get started!"

Well, now you've said it twice. Threat level: Full Blown Terrorist.

 

[clownboy]

NO, your debate style is to lie about what I said. Then dismiss it as absurd. I've corrected your lies more than once, and even here, caught lying about my position, you stand without culpability or remorse for your dishonesty.

No, you haven't. You've displayed a wont to run away from what you're arguing when called on it.

Oh really? So you can write code that would account for context, sarcasm, emotion, with a "%99.999999" accuracy?

I can't, I have some friends who can. But there you are lying about what I argued. Go back and read that 99.999999% accuracy post again.

You would revolutionize the world as we know it, you should get started!

OR I'd be paying royalties to Zuckerberg.

We don't know what the metric would be, where would you put it? an AK and membership in oathkeepers?

AK and some gadnesen flags on my FB page?

Membership in the libertarian party?

Please tell us you were lying about being a programmer. Stay far, far away from our field. Besides, I've already posted some of the things that might be significant indicators of increased threat level. Start there.

Do simple circuits have emotion, are they sarcastic? I find the comparison wanting at best.

Oh course you do, because you simply cannot understand it. You've demonstrated that. Nothing about what you've posted demonstrates an understanding of algorithms, computers or circuits. Btw, we have algorithms that recognize the difference between a smile and a grimace. These don't possess emotions, but they do recognize their expression. Why, because we humans do and we humans write those algorithms.

 

[clownboy]

Here I am struggling to write code to add a button that spits out the raw supporting data for my boss, and clownboy is apparently 1 step away from AI.

Please don't buy in to his misunderstandings and mischaracterizations of my posts. And really, struggling to add a button tied to a DB query? That's not exactly rocket science.

 

[whysoserious]

I can't, I have some friends who can. But there you are lying about what I argued. Go back and read that 99.999999% accuracy post again.

No you don't.

 

[whysoserious]

Please don't buy in to his misunderstandings and mischaracterizations of my posts. And really, struggling to add a button tied to a DB query? That's not exactly rocket science.

It's not a DB query and I don't really have any DB experience anyway.

Looking to take a DB class after I finish my Programming certificate. This is just mining large volumes of raw data in Excel.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No, you haven't. You've displayed a wont to run away from what you're arguing when called on it.

Maybe this is the best your are capable of. lying comes naturally?

I can't, I have some friends who can. But there you are lying about what I argued. Go back and read that 99.999999% accuracy post again.

I did. context and sarcasm, maybe you should learn it before you try to program it.

OR I'd be paying royalties to Zuckerberg.

his "algorithms are often very very wrong. just see your "top stories" if you doubt me.

Please tell us you were lying about being a programmer. Stay far, far away from our field. Besides, I've already posted some of the things that might be significant indicators of increased threat level. Start there.

I never claimed to be a programmer, I employ a couple, I own an IT security company, well regarded actually.


another dodge by you.

Oh course you do, because you simply cannot understand it. You've demonstrated that. Nothing about what you've posted demonstrates an understanding of algorithms, computers or circuits. Btw, we have algorithms that recognize the difference between a smile and a grimace. These don't possess emotions, but they do recognize their expression. Why, because we humans do and we humans write those algorithms.

Some chicks have "resting bitch faces".......


Would a "Resting bitch face" and an ak-47 increase threat levels? lmao

 

[clownboy]

It's not a DB query and I don't really have any DB experience anyway.

Looking to take a DB class after I finish my Programming certificate. This is just mining large volumes of raw data in Excel.

In this case the Excel doc IS the db.

 

[Slartibartfast]

In this case the Excel doc IS the db.

 

[clownboy]

Maybe this is the best your are capable of. lying comes naturally?



I did. context and sarcasm, maybe you should learn it before you try to program it.






his "algorithms are often very very wrong. just see your "top stories" if you doubt me.





I never claimed to be a programmer, I employ a couple, I own an IT security company, well regarded actually.


another dodge by you.




Some chicks have "resting bitch faces".......


Would a "Resting bitch face" and an ak-47 increase threat levels? lmao

I'll not touch your namecalling and ignorant evaluations.

However, to that last, education can be the friend that keeps you from further embarrassment.

Microexpression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[clownboy]

No you don't.
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This coming from a novice programmer. Get back to me when you've been doing it for 30+ years.

 

[whysoserious]

In this case the Excel doc IS the db.

Ok, well, then yes, I am.

I wanted to just store the lines that make up each summary line in an array, and then put a comment containing the array in the first cell of the summary line. My boss said that's a no go, because the people using it would be idiots and would need to copy and paste out of it. I could do ranges, but I'm not sure if when I'm resorting and moving the data around if the ranges would be lost.

 

[whysoserious]

This coming from a novice programmer. Get back to me when you've been doing it for 30+ years.

Cmon, that picture was perfect for this scenario.

 

[clownboy]

Ok, well, then yes, I am.

I'm wanted to just store the lines that make up each summary line in an array, and then put a comment containing the array in the first cell of the summary line. My boss said that's a no go, because the people using it would be idiots and would need to copy and paste out of it. I could do ranges, but I'm not sure if when I'm resorting and moving the data around if the ranges would be lost.

:lamo I know where you're coming from. Can't do anything the straightforward and easy way because you have to code for users who think the CD drawer on their desktop computer is a cup holder.

Have your company supply these to users:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I'll not touch your namecalling and ignorant evaluations.

The quality of "touch" in this thread can be described as "frigid" at best.

However, to that last, education can be the friend that keeps you from further embarrassment.

Microexpression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, how are you going to revolutionize ai if you cant pick up on sarcasm, or hyperbole?

Your consession is accepted.

 

[clownboy]

The quality of "touch" in this thread can be described as "frigid" at best.




Again, how are you going to revolutionize ai if you cant pick up on sarcasm, or hyperbole?

Your consession is accepted.

There's the ignorance of argument on full display. Ask some of your programmers how they would go about writing a threat assessment program using access to social media. Listen to them with open mind rather than just an eye towards clinging to ignorance. Hint: no AI necessary.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

There's the ignorance of argument on full display. Ask some of your programmers how they would go about writing a threat assessment program using access to social media. Listen to them with open mind rather than just an eye towards clinging to ignorance. Hint: no AI necessary.

*sigh*

Then explain,

How would a program be able to detect, sarcasm, or hyperbole.


You know XKeyscore cant do that right? The nsa ises humans to sift through it all.

 

[clownboy]

*sigh*

Then explain,

How would a program be able to detect, sarcasm, or hyperbole.


You know XKeyscore cant do that with any real reliability, right?

Don't need to in order to write a threat assessment algorithm. You're not just using one comment, one post on social media. You keep falling back to using single factor assessment, which isn't, or at least shouldn't be, the case here.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Don't need to in order to write a threat assessment algorithm. You're not just using one comment, one post on social media. You keep falling back to using single factor assessment, which isn't, or at least shouldn't be, the case here.

There you go again, "single factor assesment", when did i ever suggest such an approach. Nice dodge

 

[clownboy]

There you go again, "single factor assesment", when did i ever suggest such an approach. Nice dodge

You've been harping on it this entire thread:

Is ownership alone of a gun, or an AK, enough to warrant an escalated response for something as simple as a traffic stop? please provide your answer.