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Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

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This is as specious an argument as the one pro-choicers sometimes toss out claiming that when a woman consents to having unprotected sex she's not consenting to getting pregnant. If you're a woman and you freely have unprotected sex, you voluntarily take the risk of getting pregnant. If you're a criminal and you freely rob a bank, you voluntarily take the risk of getting caught and imprisoned. To suggest otherwise is just utter nonsense.
 

I didn't suggest otherwise. Try reading comprehension, it could help out.
 
Ikari said:
I didn't suggest otherwise. Try reading comprehension, it could help out.
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I read your pained logic in your exchange with TB - thus my response to you. I'm not the one with the deficiency.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I read your pained logic in your exchange with TB - thus my response to you. I'm not the one with the deficiency.
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Indeed you are. For I never said that the punishment isn't ramification for crime, or that punishment was wrong, or that it wasn't theirs to accept. Merely that they are not in jail voluntarily, which they are not. We put them there to punish them for crimes they commit. It is for society's sake it exists.

So again, try reading comprehension, it can help out. Seriously.
 

And I told you, I read your nonsense and while it's nonsense, I fully understand the meaning of the words strung together. Your logic implies that a criminal act and the consequences of that criminal act are two separate and distinct actions. Any rational person would understand that the consequences are a continuation and a direct result of the criminal act. Perhaps you believe that if you voluntarily put your foot down on the gas pedal of a car you were not voluntarily responsible for the car moving.

But hey, you're entitled to spew nonsense - it's the internet and you're allowed to make foolish statements with impunity. And I'm allowed to laugh uproariously at the stupidity of them.

Have a good day and have fun.
 
Ikari said:
If this were isolated, rape crimes in prison wouldn't be so high. Sorry, you can't say "this is isolated" when it's happening all over prisons all over America. That's not what "isolated" means.
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I can ABSOLUTELY state this case that is being suggested is an isolated case. You keep proving my point. You want to make this case be a referendum on prisons. It wont work.
 

You don't appear to understand with these arguments. It does not imply anything you claim. That's an assumption you're making, and one of the reasons you are incorrect. They are oh so related because you can't be justly thrown into jail without first committing a crime.

Doesn't stop the fact that they are not in jail voluntarily. Open the doors to prison, see what happens. If they're there voluntarily, they will stay put even when the doors are open. What do you think they will do?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
LOL.
Pointing out that rape is wrong and despicable is a high horse.

The bar is loooow.
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Going on about how bad people, in prison, doing bad things, in prison, is somehow a reflection on our society as a whole is sitting on your high horse.
 

Going to jail is VERY voluntary!
 

They are in there voluntarily, Ikari, unless they committed a crime against their will. Punishment handed down by someone else isn't voluntary. Getting to the point that someone else can punish you IS. Semantics. And none of it has to do with the issue of prisoners raping their cellmates anyway, does it?
 

I implied no such thing. Don't put words in my fingers that I never typed. I asked you what your solution is.
 
apdst said:
Going to jail is VERY voluntary!
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Open the doors, see how many criminals are there voluntarily. Of course they do the crime, they get to do the time. That's all proper. But they don't commit crimes and then just walk into prison. We gotta catch them and throw them in there.
 

Isolation probably isn't good for most of them. I know isolation would be the worst thing for me. Yes, the cost is also outrageous.

I like your idea of "One strike and you're out into isolation" idea. I would think that would be very enforceable too.
 

They certainly are accepting prison as a possible outcome when committing crimes. Jail is proper and there is a necessity for it. Those who infringe upon the rights of others must be put there for the sake of society. However, it is not often that a criminal will voluntarily go to prison. Most of the time you have to hunt them down and then you have to use force to keep them there. Again, this is proper use of government force; but it does require force.
 

So do you like isolation and think it's enforceable or think it isn't a good idea for most? The ones that are doing the raping could be the ones who isolation isn't good for.
 
If every new inmate got a buckskin belly and a rubber asshole, there wouldn't be a problem at all. I have a problem shedding a tear when those who prey on the innocent discover that they can be a victim too. He has nightmares. He should. He's lucky he's alive to have them.
 
americanwoman said:
So do you like isolation and think it's enforceable or think it isn't a good idea for most? The ones that are doing the raping could be the ones who isolation isn't good for.
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It IS a good idea for most when using the "One strike" rule. Then they may think twice before doing it again. Yes it's enforceable, if the strike is proven.
 
apdst said:
Going on about how bad people, in prison, doing bad things, in prison, is somehow a reflection on our society as a whole is sitting on your high horse.
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Actually, I was "going on" about your comment that prison rape sounds "purdy right".
 

Not sure how old you are, but if you aren't a kid, you may remember the show "Baretta". The theme song contained the words "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time (Don't do it)". I think that was the first time I remember hearing that. It stuck with me, as little as I was.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Because objecting to rape is sooo hoity toity--putting on airs.
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Whining about some sub-human scumbag getting raped in prison, being a negative reflection on our society as a whole is hoity-toity to the max.
 
Ikari said:
No, that's cruel and unusual. You keep people alive while torturing them too, so you seem to suggest torture is proper in prison. It's not. We're not barbarians, we're not apes; don't act like them.
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God forbid we're cruel to people who should have lost all of their rights except the right to live (while they are in jail).
 
apdst said:
Whining about some sub-human scumbag getting raped in prison, being a negative reflection on our society as a whole is hoity-toity to the max.
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My conservative friend I'm right with you there.
 
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