Considering the government is affording the expense of COVID 19/variants demonstrates in a big way that the USA can afford Single Payer.

[Integrityrespec]

You speak without credentials or facts ............. you must be a profiteer.

Taxpayer.

 

[MaryP]

Taxes going up? Nobody really knows because health care tax dollars fund so many programs which is to say taxes may or may not increase. I had some numbers from years ago when I was heavily involved in pushing single payer. I've learned plenty and I'm not sure a tax increase is necessary.

America needs fiscally responsible management of our tax dollars. Do we need to be subsidizing wealthy corporations? No Do we need to be funding 800 military bases around the world? No Should elected officialsbe entitled to annual pay increases based on crappy performance? No

Elected officials work for we the taxpayers NOT the other way around. Yes there are far too many confused elected officials on this issue.

Single Payer will be covered by taxes = everyone pays taxes somehow yes even immigrants thus no one gets free health care. EVERYONE IS PAYING NO MATTER WHAT which is not how it is as we speak. Make no mistake about that. Most people in the USA are under insured which should be against the law.

A ton of high dollar over head would be removed = great. Politicians and insurance misinformation sources like to scare people with tax dollar numbers and they make up crap about other places in the world that provide health care to their people. BE AWARE.

In essence I cannot offer solid advice.

That advantage plan and "donut hole" crap are scams. Health care establishments have admin people always chasing the insurance people to get their money so knowing this I would approach the doctors
and such. Letting them know we refused the so called advantage plan and donut hole nonsense --could we work out a plan or reduced rates. Cash up front. None turned us down. I also learned from this that hospitals were congenial as well = payment plan = payment went direct to the providers.

Never missed a payment because we could not afford to blow off our health care providers. Which is why we never carried insurance for ourselves. Paying annual premiums, copays and deductibles whether or not we used the insurance never got through to me. Frankly I had no problem with paying the providers
directly = the insurance people don't provide health care.

Thx. I guess we will have to wait and see. I agree with you that we spend way more on the military than we need to. But it's an enormous part of our bloated economy that I guess we can't do without. Good luck funding healthcare off savings in that budget.

 

[Razoo]

The voters know how poorly the government runs programs. Waste, fraud, is the governments expertise.

when it comes to the war machine you are correct = not everything. don't be so lame.

 

[Razoo]

Taxpayer.

a misinformation taxpayer...........

 

[Bullseye]

Quality of care is affected now what the hell ....... because health care in the USA depends on how much money a person is willing to spend make no mistake about it = the death panel.

Quality of care should not be affected BECAUSE everybody is paying in and all elected officials will be covered with that. BTW military hospitals deliver some of the best care in the USA = government health care.

BUT Single Payer will NOT be government health care because health care providers will not be government
employees nor will the government own clinics, hospitals etc etc etc. Never has been in the cards.

The USA is known to have some best health care in the world HOWEVER gets low marks because everyone in america cannot access the top quality.

When providers can only get paid or emulated by one entity - the government - health care IS government.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I support single payer, but not ACA. And you're right, we can do it. We have the money and the technology.

The only obstacles are the healthcare behemoths, big Pharma, and insurance groups.

All of these organizations have all the politicians in their pockets. - except Bernie.

I agree, we could. The best way would be a non profit, and with our taxes we'd actually pay less. But you are correct about the obstacles.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Just Think With Medicare Single Payer.......

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will pay less because all in the USA will be paying their fair share.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone in the USA is paying their own way nobody gets off the hook.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every clinic,hospital,doctor and such gets paid thus decreasing the cost of medical care.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance an estimated 2.4 million new jobs are created because the bills for medical care are getting paid..... as they should.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance the USA workforce is evermore productive due to active health and wellness programs.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every child in the USA never has to do without medical and dental care ever.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every senior citizen in the USA never has to be without medical and dental care.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every disabled soldier will never again need to wait for the defense department and capitol hill to declare a condition as service connected BECAUSE they will be covered for whatever. The families will be forever grateful.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every local community will experience a boost in economic growth because all of the new health care jobs will in fact create other jobs in a community.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance everyone will be healthier thus happier and more productive.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance every household will have more $$$$$ to spend and/or invest in their retirement or buy a home or buy a piano or invest in a college education for themselves or children.

Just think with Medicare Single Payer Insurance the entire economy is stronger and far more substantial.

THE medical insurance industry DOES NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE which in effect classifies the medical insurance industry a scam that which kicks back zillions to campaign cookie jars.

The gov't shells out $1.5 trillion tax dollar annually to the health care industry... insurers and such. That $1.5 trillion tax dollars could be applied to the cost of Medicare Single Payer Insurance.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! The government can barely handle single payer for seniors. And 1.6 trillion would be a gnat fart compared to what it would cost for single payer for the entire population.

 

[Integrityrespec]

WHEREAS SINGLE PAYER would cover every person in the U.S. for all necessary medical care including:

prescription drugs
hospital
surgical
outpatient services
primary and preventive care
emergency services
dental
mental health
home health
physical therapy
rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
vision care
chiropractic
long-term care.

Guess what?
ends deductibles and co-payments.

Single Payer would save billions annually by eliminating high overhead and profits of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

The transition to national health insurance would apply the savings from administration and profits to expanded and improved coverage for all.

Affording? Building more debt. You know how they will eventually pay this, TAXES, MORE TAXES.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Affording? Building more debt. You know how they will eventually pay this, TAXES, MORE TAXES.

Single payer costs less.

 

[MaryP]

I agree, we could. The best way would be a non profit, and with our taxes we'd actually pay less. But you are correct about the obstacles.

At least back in the 80's when I was very involved in health insurance issues, health insurance was never a very profitable line. At least so the insurance industry swore to us on a stack of Bibles. Big Pharma will continue to profit regardless of who pays the pharmacist, and since they are mostly international, we have little control over them, anyway. So unless things have drastically changed, I'm not sure those are the biggest obstacles. I could be totally wrong, of course.

 

[Outlook]

WHEREAS SINGLE PAYER would cover every person in the U.S. for all necessary medical care including:

prescription drugs
hospital
surgical
outpatient services
primary and preventive care
emergency services
dental
mental health
home health
physical therapy
rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
vision care
chiropractic
long-term care.

Guess what?
ends deductibles and co-payments.

Single Payer would save billions annually by eliminating high overhead and profits of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

The transition to national health insurance would apply the savings from administration and profits to expanded and improved coverage for all.

You want the government to handle your health care? LOL What have they done right in the last year?
I don't want government in my business especially my medical care.

 

[Callen]

I support single payer, but not ACA. And you're right, we can do it. We have the money and the technology.

The only obstacles are the healthcare behemoths, big Pharma, and insurance groups.

All of these organizations have all the politicians in their pockets. - except Bernie.

Agree with what you are saying but there is one other huge obstacle and that is the mindset of many that single payer is somehow government provided health care. It isn't, it's government provided health insurance.

 

[Razoo]

Agree with what you are saying but there is one other huge obstacle and that is the mindset of many that single payer is somehow government provided health care. It isn't, it's government provided health insurance.

exactly.........

 

[Greenbeard]

The government has spend nearly 6 trillion in the name of Covid relief and wants to spend more in the BBB. It's not paid for and has raised the debt by trillions. So how does the government pay for health care? ACA is expensive and continues to get more expensive and has few options.

Well.

Obamacare Marketplaces to See More Choices, Competition in 2022, Analysts Say

Health insurers are expanding their offerings on the Affordable Care Act marketplaces for 2022, but preparing for a volatile year as the COVID-19 pandemic rages on — potentially affecting health coverage costs well into the future.

morningconsult.com

The Pros and Cons of Obamacare

While the Affordable Care Act has helped many people get insurance, some argue the benefits don't outweigh the cons.

www.healthline.com

 

[Razoo]

You want the government to handle your health care? LOL What have they done right in the last year?
I don't want government in my business especially my medical care.

YOU are among the reasons health insurance is so damn expensive whether you pay or your
employer pays. You don't give a damn therefore the industry does not give a damn.

 

[The Old Soul]

The voters know how poorly the government runs programs. Waste, fraud, is the governments expertise.

Government would have to go some to match the lush budgets and wasteful excesses of the current for-profit healthcare system.

 

[Ginger Ale]

At least back in the 80's when I was very involved in health insurance issues, health insurance was never a very profitable line. At least so the insurance industry swore to us on a stack of Bibles. Big Pharma will continue to profit regardless of who pays the pharmacist, and since they are mostly international, we have little control over them, anyway. So unless things have drastically changed, I'm not sure those are the biggest obstacles. I could be totally wrong, of course.

The biggest obstacle is the party of NO. I think we could work out the rest. A public option might be a good place to start.

I'll be honest tho, I don't think we'll ever see an affordable, non profit healthcare system in America. Just looking at the % of people dying a preventable death to prove a political point I'm convinced the divide is so wide we'll get nothing done that moves us up to the 21st century.

 

[Razoo]

The biggest obstacle is the party of NO. I think we could work out the rest. A public option might be a good place to start.

I'll be honest tho, I don't think we'll ever see an affordable, non profit healthcare system in America. Just looking at the % of people dying a preventable death to prove a political point I'm convinced the divide is so wide we'll get nothing done that moves us up to the 21st century.

Which is where single payer spells relief for the largest portion of the USA. Single Payer removes the "middle man" = does not provide health care just makes a profit from our misfortunes. After all humans
were born naked and needing health care. I'm sure if we could be born naturally healthy 24/7 with unbreakable bones and nothing could contaminate our systems of course this would have been our
choice.

The way insurance industry hands out rep bonus checks, obscene CEO pay packages, golden parachutes,
paychecks to ten lobbyists per elected official and campaign cookie jar donations = there is a sizable profit.

Insurance people pay 60% of invoice to the health care industry = learned

 

[MaryP]

The biggest obstacle is the party of NO. I think we could work out the rest. A public option might be a good place to start.

I'll be honest tho, I don't think we'll ever see an affordable, non profit healthcare system in America. Just looking at the % of people dying a preventable death to prove a political point I'm convinced the divide is so wide we'll get nothing done that moves us up to the 21st century.

Things are definitely discouraging right now, that's for sure. I guess we can't give up though, because with Obamacare being step one, a lot of Americans are seeing health insurance in a different way. Universal healthcare is long overdue in this country.