conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

[Moderate Right]

The bold is incorrect.....

When a new President takes office in late January he is bound,by law, to execute the budget he inherits until his own budget takes effect 9 months later after his first budget proposal has been reviewed and passed.. Therefore,the only rational way to tally debt is by the budgets a President proposes.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

While you may have a point there with the year delay, a budget is just a budget. It is not the final tally so you can't compare a proposed budget to the actual debt numbers. Reid ran several years without a budget at all. And, even when a budget is proposed by the president, it is not what the final budget actually is, assuming that congress even passes a budget.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

A lot of Real Estate was bought during this prosperous time, but because of these Liberal Democrat policies a lot was bought by people who could not actually afford the mortgages.

By that "logic", CRA mortgages should have lead, by any measure, the level of defaults.

They didn't, as a matter of fact, they had some of the lowest levels.

We have seen your argument hundreds of times...it never holds up.

 

[Casca XV]

The bold is incorrect.....

When a new President takes office in late January he is bound,by law, to execute the budget he inherits until his own budget takes effect 9 months later after his first budget proposal has been reviewed and passed.. Therefore,the only rational way to tally debt is by the budgets a President proposes.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

except little of the total money Obama spent was during that time frame

 

[Vern]

I guess I remain in a state of shock Vern. To suggest that the Republicans never said to grow the economy... I mean, let's get real.

Athan, I don't know what to say. I clearly delineated the timeframe I was speaking of in my posts, the last 8 years. We were not discussing the 80s. And I never claimed "Republicans never said to grow the economy." I've clearly stated that when the economy was cratering, republicans said we needed to cut the deficit and they were specific that it had to be spending cuts. The chants and slogans you and yours obediently chanted were "cut spending", "Obama's spending is out of control" etc. Dems and intelligent people said we had to get the economy growing again and lower the deficit through growth. This was mocked (and dishonestly so) by you and yours with "borrow your way to prosperity". Anything that would help the economy grow was attacked and obstructed. And now, the conservative hero for debt and deficits, Paul Ryan, says

“One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

This proves that republicans were lying the last 8 years concerning debt and deficits. They had already proved they were lying by attacking things that they previously supported and efforts to actually lower the deficit but you and yours wouldn't listen. They put their agenda ahead of helping average Americans. Now I'm asking you to listen to Ryan.

 

[Moderate Right]

Athan, I don't know what to say.

Vernie, you are so full of it. First you say you don't know what to say then you ramble on with a thousand word post that is nothing but hot air. You continue to believe that the more words you use the more you have proven your point. That's always been your M.O.

 

[Conservative]

Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

“One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.

Hey, Vern, what exactly is wrong with you? You lost the election, you lost the Congress, you take information out of context lying about Democratic performance and are out of touch with reality. The Obama record was on the ballot on November 8 and Hillary was not running for Congress. Democrats lost the congress. Now you take a Seattle Times report and pass it off as fact. Obama added 10 trillion to the debt in 8 years which didn't bother you but now you are concerned about PROJECTED Trump deficits without any policy on the table? How typical leftwing and partisan of you. Lying by you is an art as is your partisan bs.

 

[Vern]

. Now you take a Seattle Times report and pass it off as fact.

.... Lying by you is an art as is your partisan bs.

oh Con, Ryan said what Ryan said. Posting "wah wah seattle times" for an actual quote has to be your laziest flailing of all time. And what Conservative whine would be complete with out you calling me a liar. Thanks for proving what I posted is true. If it wasn't, you could do more than just flail and whine about me.

 

[Conservative]

oh Con, Ryan said what Ryan said. Posting "wah wah seattle times" for an actual quote has to be your laziest flailing of all time. And what Conservative whine would be complete with out you calling me a liar. Thanks for proving what I posted is true. If it wasn't, you could do more than just flail and whine about me.

Everything you post is true in your own mind most of which is out of context with reality. I know this is hard for you but the Obama legacy was rejected, Hillary lost the WH, Democrats failed to regain the Congress, 30 states are under GOP Control so no matter how you spin it, you are in the minority, totally out of touch with reality.

Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party | New York Post

 

[Moderate Right]

Everything you post is true in your own mind most of which is out of context with reality. I know this is hard for you but the Obama legacy was rejected, Hillary lost the WH, Democrats failed to regain the Congress, 30 states are under GOP Control so no matter how you spin it, you are in the minority, totally out of touch with reality.

Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party | New York Post

Everything they say makes complete and total sense - in their liberal minds. As for reality, that is a far different story. These are the kind of people who enjoy going to places where they have all those funny shaped mirrors and mazes.

 

[Vern]

Everything you post is true in your own mind most of which is out of context with reality. I know this is hard for you but the Obama legacy was rejected, Hillary lost the WH, Democrats failed to regain the Congress, 30 states are under GOP Control so no matter how you spin it, you are in the minority, totally out of touch with reality.

Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party | New York Post

Oh Con, you only prove your desperate need to flail at the facts when you whine about an actual quote in the seattle times yet post an NYPost "editorial" as proof of anything. thanks for the laughs and thanks again for proving what I posted.

 

[Conservative]

Oh Con, you only prove your desperate need to flail at the facts when you whine about an actual quote in the seattle times yet post an NYPost "editorial" as proof of anything. thanks for the laughs and thanks again for proving what I posted.

Then, Vern, why don't you tell us what in that NY Post article is wrong?

 

[Vern]

Then, Vern, why don't you tell us what in that NY Post article is wrong?

Oh Con, thanks for the laughs. other than you, what con would post "wah wah I don't believe a direct quote from Paul Ryan from (put name of source here)" and then post "wah wah, whats wrong with a NYPost editorial"? sadly all of them. anyhoo, enough with your desperate (and hilarious) attempts to deflect, thanks for proving that conservatives can no longer deny you've been lied to about debt and deficts the last 8 years.

 

[Conservative]

Oh Con, thanks for the laughs. other than you, what con would post "wah wah I don't believe a direct quote from Paul Ryan from (put name of source here)" and then post "wah wah, whats wrong with a NYPost editorial"? sadly all of them. anyhoo, enough with your desperate (and hilarious) attempts to deflect, thanks for proving that conservatives can no longer deny you've been lied to about debt and deficts the last 8 years.

Yep, Treasury always lies and you are the only one telling the truth. Let me know what information in that NY Post article is false

 

[Vern]

Yep, Treasury always lies and you are the only one telling the truth. Let me know what information in that NY Post article is false

Oh Con, its bad enough you desperately try to deflect from the thread topic but now you have to create yet another dishonest narrative out of thin air. No one is discussing the treasury let alone calling them liars.You shouldn't even be allowed to post.

I'll type this real slow for you. Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

 

[Conservative]

Oh Con, its bad enough you desperately try to deflect from the thread topic but now you have to create yet another dishonest narrative out of thin air. No one is discussing the treasury let alone calling them liars.You shouldn't even be allowed to post.

I'll type this real slow for you. Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

So, Ryan's words trump Treasury data? Where did you take basic civics? Ryan's words trump the fact that the stimulus was passed as was ACA? Ryan's words trump the NY Post information about the election results and results of the Obama presidency? Interesting how words trump actual data in your world.

The Obama legacy that you want to ignore. Where is the disconnect on your part

Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party | New York Post

 

[Vern]

So, Ryan's words trump Treasury data? Where did you take basic civics? Ryan's words trump the fact that the stimulus was passed as was ACA? Ryan's words trump the NY Post information about the election results and results of the Obama presidency? Interesting how words trump actual data in your world.

The Obama legacy that you want to ignore. Where is the disconnect on your part

Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party | New York Post

oh look, silly and deflecting questions. You cant respond to the thread topic or my posts so out come the silly and deflecting questions. I'll type this real slow for you. Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

 

[Moderate Right]

oh look, silly and deflecting questions. You cant respond to the thread topic or my posts so out come the silly and deflecting questions. I'll type this real slow for you. Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

Why don't you humor him and say what is wrong in the Times article?

 

[Conservative]

oh look, silly and deflecting questions. You cant respond to the thread topic or my posts so out come the silly and deflecting questions. I'll type this real slow for you. Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

Ryan's own words mean nothing to the actual facts and Treasury data which obviously you want to ignore. I can only state that your biased partisan rhetoric doesn't match with the actual results and it is actual results you want to ignore to focus on rhetoric out of context. The dishonesty, Vern is all yours.

There is one set of books that matter, TREASURY, and you want to ignore the data to buy words out of context. Let me know how Trump won the Presidency and Republicans the Congress with those incredible Obama economic numbers?

 

[Vern]

Ryan's own words mean nothing to the actual facts and Treasury data which obviously you want to ignore. I can only state that your biased partisan rhetoric doesn't match with the actual results and it is actual results you want to ignore to focus on rhetoric out of context. The dishonesty, Vern is all yours.

There is one set of books that matter, TREASURY, and you want to ignore the data to buy words out of context. Let me know how Trump won the Presidency and Republicans the Congress with those incredible Obama economic numbers?

You once again are not replying to my posts or the thread topic. Lets face it, deflecting from the facts is all you can do. and its literally all conservatives have done in this thread. I'll type this real slow for you. Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to you about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

 

[Vern]

Why don't you humor him and say what is wrong in the Times article?

NYPost editorial. say that out loud. And I don't indulge Conservative's dishonest deflections. He should respond to the thread topic. He cant, hence he deflects and deflects dishonestly. Oh and he whines about me instead of responding in an honest and intelligent fashion. Hey, you do the same thing

Vernie, you are so full of it. First you say you don't know what to say then you ramble on with a thousand word post that is nothing but hot air. You continue to believe that the more words you use the more you have proven your point. That's always been your M.O.

 

[Moderate Right]

NYPost editorial. say that out loud. And I don't indulge Conservative's dishonest deflections. He should respond to the thread topic. He cant, hence he deflects and deflects dishonestly. Oh and he whines about me instead of responding in an honest and intelligent fashion. Hey, you do the same thing

Ah, I see. You are deflecting a deflection.

 

[Vern]

Ah, I see. You are deflecting a deflection.

No, I'm ignoring his and your deflections. Hey since you're here, Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to you about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

 

[Absentglare]

Yep, Treasury always lies and you are the only one telling the truth. Let me know what information in that NY Post article is false

What are you going to do with that "Treasury" nominal dollars crap when it makes President Trump look awful due to inflation?

 

[Moderate Right]

No, I'm ignoring his and your deflections. Hey since you're here, Ryan's own words prove republicans and the conservative media was lying to you about debt and deficits the last 8 years. And those lies prove they were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery. And now you can no longer deny it.

Wow. Talk about deflections.

 

[Fishking]

Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

“One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.

If it only adds $10 trillion over a decade it will be less than Obama, factoring in inflation and 2 more years.