Conneticut Shooting will be a Bad One

[Caine]

The majority of us don't take the slaughter of 20 kindergarten children as lightly as you do evidently.

Yes, 20 kids were killed. Thats sad, needless, and unnecessary.

But just because 20 kids were killed does not mean we go overboard and attempt to create legislation due to an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

In almost all situations it ends up resulting in heavy handed and unnecessary government control limiting the rights of people in order to "keep the kids safe".


People need to face the facts..... Even children are not safe from everything in a free society.

 

[blaxshep]

Far more than 20 kids were killed in car accidents, so I guess we should ban cars too.

Some of us don't take those deaths as lightly as you do.

 

[longview]

My prayers go out to the Families of the victims of this atrocity.
We however need to avoid a knee jerk response.
I tried to look at this from a cold logic point of view.
What laws could have been in place, that Adam Lanza would have obeyed?
He had already broken several laws before getting to the school,
so showed little regard for the existing laws.
Adam Lanza murdered his mother and stole her guns and car.
(It is unlikely she gave permission before her death for him to commit these killings with her property.)

 

[Moot]

My prayers go out to the Families of the victims of this atrocity.
We however need to avoid a knee jerk response.
I tried to look at this from a cold logic point of view.
What laws could have been in place, that Adam Lanza would have obeyed?
He had already broken several laws before getting to the school,
so showed little regard for the existing laws.
Adam Lanza murdered his mother and stole her guns and car.
(It is unlikely she gave permission before her death for him to commit these killings with her property.)

The ban on assault weapons would have prevented his gun enthusiast mother from purchasing one and then he wouldn't have easy access to it. Oh by the way, he was trained to use the weapon responsibly.

 

[Moot]

Yes, 20 kids were killed. Thats sad, needless, and unnecessary.

But just because...<snip>

BUT JUST BECAUSE????

20 kids were killed does not mean we go overboard and attempt to create legislation due to an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

We've been at war for TEN YEARS because of conservatives emotional knee jerk reaction. So spare us your blubbering about what the appropiate response is.

In almost all situations it ends up resulting in heavy handed and unnecessary government control limiting the rights of people in order to "keep the kids safe".


People need to face the facts..... Even children are not safe from everything in a free society.

After Colombine, Fort Hood, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Tuscon, Oregon and now this you don't think people can't face the facts, yet? Speak for yourself.

 

[longview]

The ban on assault weapons would have prevented his gun enthusiast mother from purchasing one and then he wouldn't have easy access to it. Oh by the way, he was trained to use the weapon responsibly.

He could have killed just as many with the two pistols, and the shotgun.
The data keeps changing on how much training he had.
They are still trying to find range records, to show if ether the mother or son ever went to the range.
Since he broke the law to acquire the weapons used(Murder and theft), laws were not his first concern.

 

[Caine]

BUT JUST BECAUSE????

OMFG! THE CHILDREN! TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY. LOCK THEM UP, DON'T LET THEM LEARN HOW THE WORLD WORKS. HIDE THEM! SAAAAVE THEEEEEMm!!!!!!

Maybe I just don't understand the need and desire to bend over backwards to coddle children because my mother died in front of me suddenly when I was 8 and my dad was too busy running his business to be around coddling us all the time. He provided guidance as necessary and let us learn on our own. And for a high school dropout, he did a fantastic job.

We've been at war for TEN YEARS because of conservatives emotional knee jerk reaction. So spare us your blubbering about what the appropiate response is.

Why are you trying to be all partisan? WTF does this issue have to do with gun control and knee jerk emotional reactions of SAVIING THE CHILDREN OMFG!11!11!11

After Colombine, Fort Hood, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Tuscon, Oregon and now this you don't think people can't face the facts, yet? Speak for yourself.

What are the facts? That the media hype over mass shootings and 96 hour continuous coverage across 4 all day news channels turning the shooters into households names inspires crazy people to try to outdo the previous crazy person? Please tell me what these alleged facts are.

 

[Caine]

The ban on assault weapons would have prevented his gun enthusiast mother from purchasing one and then he wouldn't have easy access to it. Oh by the way, he was trained to use the weapon responsibly.

The ban on assault weapons would have prevented nothing.

The Mini-14 "Ranch Rifle" in .223 is just as capable of doing everything that an AR15 can do, with slightly less accuracy (at long range... the range this murderer shot from would make no difference) and would not have been subject to the "Scary Looking Rifle Ban" because it doesn't look "Scary" but is just as capable as the same EXACT things as the AR15.

The Mini-14 can even be modified with a "Tactical Stock" which would make it look "Scary".

 

[zgoldsmith23]

I agree that logic plays a role as does all other things that humans use to make decisions. However, we are not cold unfeeling computers.

So clouded emotion is ok, too? I'll take logic over emotion any day.

 

[Moot]

He could have killed just as many with the two pistols, and the shotgun.
The data keeps changing on how much training he had.
They are still trying to find range records, to show if ether the mother or son ever went to the range.
Since he broke the law to acquire the weapons used(Murder and theft), laws were not his first concern.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. You can stop speculating now because the fact is, an assault weapon was his weapon of choice as it is for most mentaly insane who want to take out as many people as possible before turning the gun on themselves. In fact, I would argue that he saved the handgun for himself because it would hurt less than what he did to those kids.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Yes, 20 kids were killed. Thats sad, needless, and unnecessary.

But just because 20 kids were killed does not mean we go overboard and attempt to create legislation due to an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

In almost all situations it ends up resulting in heavy handed and unnecessary government control limiting the rights of people in order to "keep the kids safe".


People need to face the facts..... Even children are not safe from everything in a free society.

Children die all across the world many times, every day. It's estimated a child dies every 4 seconds. Roughly 21,000 children die daily - the murders in Newtown were 0.01% of the deaths of children that day and 0.00026% of children dead that year.

 

[Moot]

The ban on assault weapons would have prevented nothing.

The Mini-14 "Ranch Rifle" in .223 is just as capable of doing everything that an AR15 can do, with slightly less accuracy (at long range... the range this murderer shot from would make no difference) and would not have been subject to the "Scary Looking Rifle Ban" because it doesn't look "Scary" but is just as capable as the same EXACT things as the AR15.

The Mini-14 can even be modified with a "Tactical Stock" which would make it look "Scary".

Was the weapon that his mother bought and that he used, banned before 2004?

 

[Moot]

Children die all across the world many times, every day. It's estimated a child dies every 4 seconds. Roughly 21,000 children die daily - the murders in Newtown were 0.01% of the deaths of children that day and 0.00026% of children dead that year.

How sweet, you're making excuses for the killer while trying to justify keeping your toys.

 

[Caine]

Was the weapon that his mother bought and that he used, banned before 2004?

Does it matter?

Does it change anything?

Do you think because he couldn't use the AR15 that he would just so, Oh ****, oh well.... This pistols just won't be good enough so Im going to stay sane and not shoot random people for no goddamned reason......


Get.... Real......

You are grasping at pathetic straws here.

 

[TurtleDude]

How sweet, you're making excuses for the killer while trying to justify keeping your toys.

as opposed to people like you who want to punish honest people by pretending that you care about the victims or that your solutions designed to harass people you don't agree with would actually have stopped the tragedy?

 

[Caine]

as opposed to people like you who want to punish honest people by pretending that you care about the victims or that your solutions designed to harass people you don't agree with would actually have stopped the tragedy?

Think about the CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!11111!!!!

 

[Moot]

So clouded emotion is ok, too? I'll take logic over emotion any day.

Then why don't you try it sometime? Because there is nothing logical about having assault weapons outside of a war zone.

 

[clownboy]

How sweet, you're making excuses for the killer while trying to justify keeping your toys.

The answer was appropriate IN CONTEXT to the post answered. No need to twist it to be something it's not. And there is no need for "justification" as our right to own guns is established and has been so since the beginning of our nation.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

How sweet, you're making excuses for the killer while trying to justify keeping your toys.

Not excuses; please show me how I've actually justified his actions. I just understand how isolated that incident was and how rare incidents like those are and that, if they happen, they happen.

 

[Moot]

Think about the CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!11111!!!!

How classy, mocking sympathy for 20 dead kids.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Then why don't you try it sometime? Because there is nothing logical about having assault weapons outside of a war zone.

... to you.

 

[Moot]

He could have killed just as many with the two pistols, and the shotgun.
The data keeps changing on how much training he had.
They are still trying to find range records, to show if ether the mother or son ever went to the range.
Since he broke the law to acquire the weapons used(Murder and theft), laws were not his first concern.

He didn't steal those weapons, his mother trained him to use them to help him gain some responsibilty. How did that work out for her, huh?

 

[Caine]

How classy, mocking sympathy for 20 dead kids.

No... Im not mocking the sympathy...

Im mocking the knee jerk emotional response that some people want our government to take over it.


Funny how we as a society resist losing freedoms to gain some security when those freedoms lost gain security for us as adults..

But when it comes to children....... as long as it is being done in the name of saving the children we will allow the government to do WHATEVER it wants.

THAT.... is how the government is eventually going to take our rights....

 

[Moot]

... to you.

No, not just me.

 

[Caine]

He didn't steal those weapons, his mother trained him to use them to help him gain some responsibilty. How did that work out for her, huh?

Everyone who asks this stupid question reveals that they have no sympathy for the mother...........

They are secretly glad the mother was killed because they can use it to help their argument in their own feeble way towards gun bans and restrictions.



But everyone who has used that same question in debate has failed to acknowledge that is it extremely rare for someone to EXPECT that their family would betray them in this sort of way.