Conneticut Shooting will be a Bad One

[MarineTpartier]

Yeah the last time I responded to your arguments in detail you just vanished for pages, and when you show back up you didn't respond to anything I had said to you.

Sorry bro. I had to go to a Toys for Tots event and collect toys for underprivileged kids. I didn't have time to stare at the computer for the rest of the night and wait on you to respond to an argument. Some of us don't get to drop the pack when we're done with a deployment.

Go ahead, keep ignoring me.

I'd love to but I'll dispute your arguments as soon as I find that post.

 

[TurtleDude]

they would rather free ride on the security/deterrence provided to them by actual gun owners.

but think of the guilt that must cause. I mean after all getting raped or worse is far more palatable than say living in an area where criminals don't prowl because some asshole who tried to rape the neighbor's daughter had his throat blown away by the girl's dad and his Beretta 9mm pistol or Benellia automatic shotgun

 

[Fisher]

I know how to alter magazines.
Build them, I never had a need to, but I know it's done.

I doubt it would be as easy as it is to say. I had a ten round clip somebody gave me for a 30-06. It is the only time I have ever had that gun jam. It was hard to load that many rounds in the thing anyway. It never worked right. I eventually just tossed it in the trash as I only had it for when I needed to set my scope and I just opted to carry an extra standard clip like I usually did anyway when hunting.

 

[Capster78]

All guns were legally owned at some point, even if only right after being fabricated and are then illegaly sold by a factory.

What's your point?

Do you have proof that major gun makers are selling guns illegally?

 

[MarineTpartier]

Oh yes, CA, known for their low crime rate and booming economy....yeah...sure....watch out CA, we're forcing IL to allow CCW, your number's commin up.

We're speaking of mass shooting here Jerry. Not crime rate or economy. Do try to keep up.

 

[Jerry]

I know how much training my fellow Marines have received. We have a standard. You can research that as well because it is readily available. Also, you are acting as though we (military and law enforcement) are allowed to take our weapons and large capacity magazines home with us or out on the street. When I come back in from training, I turn my weapon and mags in and adhere to same rules you do. As far as training, I have no idea how much training you have received. For all I know you could be full of crap when speaking of your skill with a firearm. I don't think you are, but, you could be.

It doesn't take barely any training to kill someone at close rage with a pistol. Please stop acting like you have to be rambo to stop someone from shooting 20 children. All you need is 1-2 well placed shots, so even your bull**** about mag limits doesn't play into the discussion.

 

[MarineTpartier]

well if you look hard enough you could find me on the cover of a major shotgun sport magazine along with the other guys on the team and an article in a major police magazine testing custom built tactical shotguns. both of those were close to 20 years ago though

I guess I could post a picture of that shotgun vest that has USA on the back of it :mrgreen:

Your such a snob dude.......I love it lol.

 

[Capster78]

weve put immense manpower into stopping drugs,yet drug use has increased massively since then.banning a desired product does not eliminate demand,eliminating supply onlymeans someone else wil supply it.the only way to eliminate supply is to diminish demand,or have you blindly ignored history????????????

Drugs are completely different than guns. No one needs a gun, no one is addicted to guns. The reason why drugs can not be controlled is because people cant help but need them. Its called addiction.

 

[Capster78]

The more efficient way to get better results is to just arm the population. Criminals can't illegally use a gun when they're dead.

Yes, arm everyone. That way when a criminal is spotted everyone starts shooting.. then no one knows who the criminal is, and people start shooting each other just because everyone is shooting.

 

[MarineTpartier]

It doesn't take barely any training to kill someone at close rage with a pistol. Please stop acting like you have to be rambo to stop someone from shooting 20 children. All you need is 1-2 well placed shots, so even your bull**** about mag limits doesn't play into the discussion.

As I said earlier, this isn't the fix all. It is a way to make weapons less deadly without messing with gun laws, which I don't want to do.

 

[Jerry]

Do try to keep up.

...says the guy who can't find a post :lol:

Just click on the little blue button in the quote tag, it will take you to that post.

Go ahead, post 645. I'll wait....

What do we need all these guns and armor for? Violent revolution. That is the point and purpose of the 2A. If some of those items happen to make hunting or self defense easier, god bless the gun owner, but that's not the primary purpose. Sure, I would like to personally own an M249 since that's my service weapon, I could practice on my own time and earn more Promotion Points when we annually qualify.

But that's desire, that's not need. The need to have an M249 is to retain the ability to revolt. That's what keeps the government in check, and that's why big government types want to disarm the public.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I doubt it would be as easy as it is to say. I had a ten round clip somebody gave me for a 30-06. It is the only time I have ever had that gun jam. It was hard to load that many rounds in the thing anyway. It never worked right. I eventually just tossed it in the trash as I only had it for when I needed to set my scope and I just opted to carry an extra standard clip like I usually did anyway when hunting.

The issue is, that it can be done.

 

[MarineTpartier]

...says the guy who can't find a post :lol:

Just click on the little blue button in the quote tag, it will take you to that post.

I know dude. I'm debating like 4 people right now. When I get done with it and it slows down, I'll get to it. You said to ignore you, remember?:2razz:

 

[Capster78]

what rest of the world?

you mean like we try to do with drugs? hows that working?

all you are going to do is endanger me and my family and empower the criminals, no thanks, thats totally illogical

You are enabling the criminals more by allowing it to be legal. I will ask again, where do you think they get their guns? Where do you think the drug cartels in mexico get their guns? From legal owners in the US.

 

[Fisher]

I actually don't know how he killed his mother. People assume she was shot because the word "gun" is somewhere in the paragraph, but I haven't seen a statement from the police saying how she died. There's a lot of questions about what exactly occurred in that house. Did he murder his mother and then get a gun, or did he get a gun and murder his mother with it? I don't know. I don't know how the guns were stored, either. Were they locked? Where were the keys kept? Were they in a safe? Did he know the combination? If the guns were otherwise properly secured, did he intimidate his mother into giving him access? I have no idea.
Your point, and I could quote you, was that legal gun owners illegally sold him those guns. My counter point was that the guns weren't sold to him at all. You even asked how could he have gotten a hold of guns if they weren't sold to him. That's when I pointed out that he murdered the gun owner. The guns were not sold to him.

What I have heard mainly through MSNBC this am and wherever before was she was shot in the face; she had become concerned about and economic collapse and was stockpiling food and stuff (they referred to her as a survivalist); and the guns were hers. There is also a report that the shooter tried to buy a rifle Tuesday but was refused when he refused to go through the background check. Since he had his brother's ID on him, I assume he had planned on possibly doing it in his name.

 

[Capster78]

of course this does not happen in many cases.

But that makes both parties as a criminal. and thus the "law abiding citizen" claim moot.

They are law abiding citizens unless they get caught. And obviously they are not getting caught because so many people own guns illegally, which is why it is necissary in the US to own a gun. Its a vicious cycle. The more legal owners you have, the more guns get sold illegally, which in turn makes it even more important to own a gun.

 

[ChrisL]

Drugs are completely different than guns. No one needs a gun, no one is addicted to guns. The reason why drugs can not be controlled is because people cant help but need them. Its called addiction.

You can't be serious. You don't think that criminals are going to still want guns? How ridiculous. :roll:

 

[TurtleDude]

Your such a snob dude.......I love it lol.

hardly, i don't look down on guys whose only skills in weapons come from the marine corps (actually went the USMC shooting team beat the USAMU for the first time ever at the National moving target championships, we bought SSGT Caseman, Dowd (and I cannot recall the third guy) a bottle of bubbly. They bought us one since we beat both the marines and the army though.

Marines are actually pretty good shots. but the USAMU was the cream of the crop for years
I liked the marines better though. at the 1987 preliminary Team tryouts (for the 1988 games) I was shooting at a USAF base for a slot to go to Ontario California for the 1988 trials. There was a problem with one of the traps and I had to repeat some shots and needed more ammo. I went to buy some when the marine captain went over to his nearby truck and gave me several boxes of ammo. I pulled out my wallet and he said, no sweat its on us. the army shooters would have never done that-especially since I was beating the marine guys.

always liked those marine shooting team guys

 

[ChrisL]

OMG! Dude is messed up.

 

[Fisher]

The issue is, that it can be done.

Sure and you could build a gun of any sort on your own anyway. Haven't you ever watched the gunsmithing show (on Discovery maybe--haven't seen it in awhile)?

 

[TurtleDude]

They are law abiding citizens unless they get caught. And obviously they are not getting caught because so many people own guns illegally, which is why it is necissary in the US to own a gun. Its a vicious cycle. The more legal owners you have, the more guns get sold illegally, which in turn makes it even more important to own a gun.

In Mexico its rather tough for honest people to own guns

so why do the cartels have them then

 

[ChrisL]

They are law abiding citizens unless they get caught. And obviously they are not getting caught because so many people own guns illegally, which is why it is necissary in the US to own a gun. Its a vicious cycle. The more legal owners you have, the more guns get sold illegally, which in turn makes it even more important to own a gun.

Huh? .

 

[Jerry]

Do you have proof that major gun makers are selling guns illegally?

I didn't claim they actually were. I was giving a big hypothetical to prove a point which the conversation has evolved from since.

If gun manufacturers are selling guns illegally...given the kind of people with enough pull to get away with that....I don't see how I would ever know.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, arm everyone. That way when a criminal is spotted everyone starts shooting.. then no one knows who the criminal is, and people start shooting each other just because everyone is shooting.

what caused your frantic terror of guns owned by honest people?

 

[TurtleDude]

Huh? .

I am hearing twilight zone music with this one master Yoda

Wise you are obiwan turtle, strong the silly side of the force is with this one