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NoMoreDems-Reps said:I saw this and thought it was interesting.
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Crooks flock together--I heard about this a while back and didnt believe it now its poping up again...It goes to show that they want a 2 party system because both are crooks working for the same muppet bastard.
Congress Attempts to Kill the "Third-Party Threat"
Proposed Legislation Creates Treasury-Funded Campaigns for the Two Major Parties, Leaving Third Parties with No Means to Run
(Washington, D.C.) On February 1, congressional Democrats, led by Rep. Obey of Wisconsin, introduced a bill, H.R. 4694, that would end viable, third-party competition in races for the U.S. House of Representatives.
The bill, ironically named the "Let the People Decide Clean Campaign Act," would mandate public funds (taken from the U.S. Treasury) to candidates for the House of Representatives and forbid candidates from taking private funds such as contributions from individual donors.
The ambiguously-written bill provides funds for candidates of the "two major parties" but essentially scuttles any campaign efforts of third-party or independent candidates.
For third-party candidates to be eligible for the same funds that Republicans and Democrats would receive, they would have to obtain enough signatures to exceed 20% of votes cast in the last election within their district.
The catch under the proposed legislation is that third-party or independent candidates cannot pay petitioners to collect any signatures, making it impossible to fund their campaigns.
H.R. 4694 is yet another attempt by our politicians in office to shut down Libertarian Party candidates and other competitive third-party and independent campaigns.
"The Republican and Democratic parties exist to maintain power for their own benefit. The Libertarian Party exists to grasp power for the benefit of the nation," stated Shane Cory, chief of staff for the Libertarian Party. "American voters are waking up to this reality, and as they do, the two parties are trying everything within their power to shut us down."
http://www.lp.org/media/article_284.shtml
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Link that again will yah? I took the first two video's, but then forgot about it.danarhea said:The bill wont fly either. Violation of the First Amendment. However, if you have taken Badnarik's Constitution Class, you can see that the Constitution has been violated numerous times.
vauge said:Link that again will yah? I took the first two video's, but then forgot about it.
Back to topic, in many states it is already the case.
Here in Texas, if you vote in the primaries, you cannot petition for someone on the ticket that is not of the "two major parties".
danarhea" said:I highly recommend this course to everyone in this forum.
taxedout said:they believe the glowing orb in the corner of the living room, telling them that anything not approved by the Big Two is based on conspiracy theory and paranoia.
Carl said:Were Badnarik a skilled tactician, operating within the Republican party, he could be a force for positive change.
taxedout said:The republican party has all but forsaken conservativism.
Limited-government conservatism is back. You know what I mean: the kind of conservatism espoused by Barry Goldwater and then championed by President Ronald Reagan – the kind of conservatism that the revolutionary congressional class of 1994 brought to the American people in the form of the Contract with America.
It is this brand of conservatism – a brand dedicated to limiting the size and scope of the federal government, a brand that recognizes that big government is not good government just because it is our government – that has sadly been missing of late. But no longer.
On Wednesday, members of the conservative Republican Study Committee in the House of Representatives took it upon themselves to single-handedly resurrect the philosophical heart and soul of the Republican Party.
Carl said:No, that's not the situation. They simply realize that if you're going to be in the game, you have to play on the field that exists. In America, that means you select one of the two parties that represent the actual terrain.
The refusal to accept third-party candidates is not a weakness of the people, it is a failure of the candidates to recognize the realities of the battlefield.
danarhea said:The field that exists is dominated by crooks and liars of the 2 major parties.
Carl said:If there were five parties, it would be dominated by the crooks and liars of the five major parties.
This is simply not an argument. There are two parties of crooks and liars. If you're a third party candidate, and are not hopelessly ignorant, you will work within the existing terrain of crooks and liars. Else you will share the world record of all third-party candidates....zero electoral votes.
danarhea said:So which party do you prefer to work with? The DemoCommunist Party or the RepubliCommunist Party? That is pretty much what it is coming down to.
Carl said:And that's not about to change, as long as alternative candidates entertain the pipe-dream that they can win in a third party. Dick happens if you aren't elected.
danarhea said:Cannot win a presidency right now, but Libertarians can pick up a few seats in Congress. Small steps. If you are willing to stay with the status quo, however, you get the government you deserve.
Carl said:Heh heh, comforting rhetoric. There comes a point, though, where one has to accept the world as it actually exists. Short of that, it's just masturbation.
danarhea said:Better dead than Red
Carl said:Fair enough my friend. I just wish guys like Badnarik were within a mainstream party. I just don't see any third-party going anywhere, whether that's right or wrong.
danarhea said:BTW, what do you think of Tom McClintock?
taxedout said:They are dancing like marrionettes, beholden to the whims of the CFR. Soon we will all be serfs to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and Rhodists of the world. Paul Warburg, Morgan, Aldrich, and House will have won.
Carl said:This all could be true, but the only way anyone with a different plan is going to get elected is within those two parties. It's just not realistic to strive for third-party victory. The chances of success are vanishingly remote.
taxedout said:Use the force Luke .............:smile:
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