Congrats, GOP - you just elected a racist demagogue

[reinoe]

Did you happen to catch any footage of Trump rallies this past electoral cycle?

Not that you'll read it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html

Yawn. The MSM interviewed as many people as possible and then spliced together all the outrageous stuff. You could do the same thing at a DNC or Black Lives Matter gathering with similarly large crowds. That's why the MSM has no credibility.

 

[RickJames3000]

Lots of innuendo, no evidence.

Wow. I'm impressed!

You actually paused almost three whole minutes so you could pretend to have actually clicked the link, read the words in the article, and thoughtfully considered what it said!
How slick.

#replyfail

 

[Jack Hays]

Wow. I'm impressed!

You actually paused almost three whole minutes so you could pretend to have actually clicked the link, read the words in the article, and thoughtfully considered what it said!
How slick.

#replyfail

I'm a WaPo subscriber. I had already read it.

 

[RickJames3000]

I'm a WaPo subscriber. I had already read it.

Mm-hmm. That's a convenient explanation.

 

[Jack Hays]

Mm-hmm. That's a convenient explanation.

Please note my location info.

 

[Cable]

I don't believe that Trump himself is particularly racist.
But he could not and would not have won without the white racist vote. They are a big enough constituency for him to make a significant difference. And that's going to be problem for the new "Big Tent GOP" going down the road.

We can only wait-and-see how long that coalition lasts.

Who do you figure these thugs voted for?

 

[RickJames3000]

Please note my location info.

Ok. I'll extend the benefit of the doubt given that detail.
But let's save some time here and get to the substance of your argument.

Do you believe that Trump earned the white racist vote?
If not, then who do you believe that demographic favored?

What percentage of the white population of the US might be considered at least moderately racist?

 

[RickJames3000]

Who do you figure these thugs voted for?

You can go ahead and explore that theme on Daily Stormer or whatever DP thread is exploring racism among black youths.
We are discussing white racism in this thread.

 

[Cable]

You can go ahead and explore that theme on Daily Stormer or whatever DP thread is exploring racism among black youths.
We are discussing white racism in this thread.

Are you trying to boot me out because I am white? I'm not going to the back, and no apology for it.
These are Black Lives Matter Hillary supporters.

 

[Jack Hays]

Ok. I'll extend the benefit of the doubt given that detail.
But let's save some time here and get to the substance of your argument.

Do you believe that Trump earned the white racist vote?
If not, then who do you believe that demographic favored?

What percentage of the white population of the US might be considered at least moderately racist?

I don't think the white racist vote is large enough to matter one way or another. I think Trump won by taking votes that normally have gone to Dems.

How Donald Trump Won
Carl Cannon, RealClearPolitics
Trump Stole Dems' Base From Right Under Their Noses
Paul Mulshine, Star-Ledger

 

[Mach]

I'd have been as concerned, probably more so, with Bernie Sanders in office.
I like Bernie, but his policies...I would be scared.

Trump, we have no idea what he's going to do other than the few hints he's given. I read his list of things he wants to do when in office, some look good, some look great, and some not so much. It wasn't bat **** crazy though.

I am also concerned who will fill all the positions he has though...being an outsider means what for us...that many of them will also be outsiders, or that they will be republican-aligned establishment types. This was part of the issue with bush jr right? He gets in office and Dick and the neocons went hog wild, while Bush ate hamburgers and cracked jokes. I don't see Trump being worse than that...do you?

 

[RickJames3000]

I am also concerned who will fill all the positions he has though...being an outsider means what for us...that many of them will also be outsiders, or that they will be republican-aligned establishment types. This was part of the issue with bush jr right? He gets in office and Dick and the neocons went hog wild, while Bush ate hamburgers and cracked jokes. I don't see Trump being worse than that...do you?

I might be encouraged by this perspective if Trump hadn't surrounded himself with cartoon villains like Roger Stone, Roger Ailes, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Steve Bannon, and on-and-on ad nauseum.

 

[Cable]

You can go ahead and explore that theme on Daily Stormer or whatever DP thread is exploring racism among black youths.
We are discussing white racism in this thread.

There is no such thing as white or black racism. There is just racism. Anything else is a perspective problem.

 

[RickJames3000]

There is no such thing as white or black racism. There is just racism. Anything else is a perspective problem.

I find that absurdly reductionist. Anyway... back to the thread topic.

 

[Mach]

I might be encouraged by this perspective if Trump hadn't surrounded himself with cartoon villains like Roger Stone, Roger Ailes, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Steve Bannon, and on-and-on ad nauseum.

I am not excusing it but I'm not sure he had first pick on that stuff either, he was sort of taking what he could get. Being an outsider and all. Chris Christie was beaming at the acceptance, made me nauseous.

 

[Cable]

I find that absurdly reductionist. Anyway... back to the thread topic.

Isn't it a bit ridicules to think that only Trump had racists voting for him (as though he could pick and choose...). Hillary has plenty of them as well, they just aren't called out much because they aren't white.
I am sure Hillary had some pedophiles voting for her as well. Is that worth noting as something unique?
Is it a black eye to her if they group together and say "we are pedophiles for Hillary" ?

 

[RickJames3000]

Isn't it a bit ridicules to think that only Trump had racists voting for him (as though he could pick and choose...). Hillary has plenty of them as well, they just aren't called out much because they aren't white.
I am sure Hillary had some pedophiles voting for her as well. Is that worth noting as something unique?
Is it a black eye to her if they group together and say "we are pedophiles for Hillary" ?

Look... I personally wasn't characterizing the majority of Trump voters as racist. But I do indeed believe that they are an indispensable portion of his coalition... the election was so close that even if the percentage were only 10%, it would be decisive. I think you guys see the world "racist" in a post and just conflate it with every other post made on the topic, as long as you think the poster is a "liberal".What I am saying here just isn't particularly extreme.

I'm not saying that racism was the decisive factor but rather that it was one of the decisive factors, among others.

 

[Cable]

Look... I personally wasn't characterizing the majority of Trump voters as racist. But I do indeed believe that they are an indispensable portion of his coalition... the election was so close that even if the percentage were only 10%, it would be decisive. I think you guys see the world "racist" in a post and just conflate it with every other post made on the topic, as long as you think the poster is a "liberal".What I am saying here just isn't particularly extreme.

I'm not saying that racism was the decisive factor but rather that it was one of the decisive factors, among others.

OK, let's look at it rationally. If all racists were removed from the voting pool, would Trump have lost more than Hillary? I don't think you or anyone else has any grounds to say either way who would be more impacted.
So it is a moot point in reality, and an inflammatory accusation at best.

 

[Absentglare]

Lots of innuendo, no evidence.

That wasn't a link to HRC allegations.

 

[Jack Hays]

That wasn't a link to HRC allegations.

HRC? Who's that?

 

[Absentglare]

I'd have been as concerned, probably more so, with Bernie Sanders in office.
I like Bernie, but his policies...I would be scared.

Trump, we have no idea what he's going to do other than the few hints he's given. I read his list of things he wants to do when in office, some look good, some look great, and some not so much. It wasn't bat **** crazy though.

I am also concerned who will fill all the positions he has though...being an outsider means what for us...that many of them will also be outsiders, or that they will be republican-aligned establishment types. This was part of the issue with bush jr right? He gets in office and Dick and the neocons went hog wild, while Bush ate hamburgers and cracked jokes. I don't see Trump being worse than that...do you?

We'll have to see how many people he ships to Guantanamo Bay without trial to be tortured.

We'll have to see how much his wall will be primarily effective at preventing illegal immigrants from leaving.

We'll have to see if his vow to engage in trade wars with our neighbors wrecks as much havoc on our economy as economists claim that it could.

We'll have to see if our national image suffers while being represented by a man who would proudly mock a disabled person's disability.

We'll have to see if he has been able to figure out why we're NOT supposed to use nuclear weapons.

I'm hoping that all of those antics were part of a role he was playing to seduce voters. What's more frightening to me is that some 60 million of my fellow countrymen seem to want some of these things in virtue of the fact that they voted for him.

 

[RickJames3000]

OK, let's look at it rationally. If all racists were removed from the voting pool, would Trump have lost more than Hillary? I don't think you or anyone else has any grounds to say either way who would be more impacted.
So it is a moot point in reality, and an inflammatory accusation at best.

I understand that you are bothered by it.

But even if it's simply a matter of subjective perception (a contention I disagree with), this "inflammatory accusation" has been burning for years. It's something that Trump and the GOP are both going to have to contend with going forward.

 

[Jack Hays]

It's something that Trump and the GOP are both going to have to contend with going forward.

Or, more appropriately, ignore.

 

[polgara]

Look... I personally wasn't characterizing the majority of Trump voters as racist. But I do indeed believe that they are an indispensable portion of his coalition... the election was so close that even if the percentage were only 10%, it would be decisive. I think you guys see the world "racist" in a post and just conflate it with every other post made on the topic, as long as you think the poster is a "liberal".What I am saying here just isn't particularly extreme.

I'm not saying that racism was the decisive factor but rather that it was one of the decisive factors, among others.

Greetings, RickJames3000. :2wave:

I don't understand your reference to "racism." Both candidates are white and very wealthy elites, both sexes were represented, both live in New York, both are proven liars, and both stated they wanted to improve the lives of everyday Americans. Where does the "rascist" description fit in here? *puzzled*

 

[Cable]

I understand that you are bothered by it.

But even if it's simply a matter of subjective perception (a contention I disagree with), this "inflammatory accusation" has been burning for years. It's something that Trump and the GOP are both going to have to contend with going forward.

They will because of folks like you who make it an issue when it is no more an issue for the GOP than it is for the DNC. Progressives have just been better at selling it. It's time to start shopping on both ends of the line. Liberals are edging toward fascism, and racism fits right in there. Time to call it what it is.