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Confederate names make comeback, triggering lawsuits

Juin said:
It was just another revolution. You are making a mountain out of a molehill
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No I'm not. The Confederate legacy is the molehill. The folks pushing it are trying to make a mountain out of it.
 
Juin said:
Lol They handed out independence after WWII like confetti 🎊 It is raining 🌧 independence the world over
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Did they have a choice?
 
Grand Mal said:
No I'm not. The Confederate legacy is the molehill. The folks pushing it are trying to make a mountain out of it.
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I believe they should if that is how they value their forebears. I can understand that. Why should a man reject his forebears because they were Confederates? I think you should be able to understand that.
 
craig said:
Did they have a choice?
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Nope. They thought they won WWII. Not really. Germany bankrupted the British and French
 
 
Grand Mal said:
The whole history of the Confederacy was four years of warfare ending in their complete destruction. Coulda's, woulda's, mightof's, none of that means a damned thing when success or failure are the only standards. The Confederacy failed about as big-time as it's possible to fail. They blundered about as big-time as it's possible to blunder.
Go ahead, tell me how they could have screwed everything up worse. There's not a single thing to point at to be proud of.
All their 'legacy' is good for is to piss people off. If that's what drives pride, well, must suck.
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Says a Canadian 🤣
 
VySky said:
From the link



"But the momentum has slowed, and those who see honoring Confederate names as part of their heritage and history have worked to get those names back."

“Confederate statues were taken down, the names of Confederate soldiers were removed from buildings and it really was a good moment for many of us in the movement,” Whittenberg said. “Right after that, we saw a lot of the backlash and really just blatant attacks on all of the gains for education equity.”
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US Slave Market Auction: Poster advertising a New Orleans slave auction of 18 enslaved persons ('Plantation Hands') from Alabama, USA, 1858 Stock Photo - Alamy
 
NolanVoyd said:
Or how about care a little about your country and try harder.
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Make up your mind. You have said I sadden you. Then its logical for you to leave me alone.
 
CaughtInThe said:
The Slave Auction Block At William And Charles Mysteries, 43% OFF
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I bet Massa Tom Jeff'son, the third President of the United States of America was quite familiar with slave auctions. Heck his Monticello Plantation was delivered posters like that whenever slave auctions were held within a 20 mile radius. See, Massa Tom Jeff'son was an accomplished slaver in his own rights. His Monticello Plantation is reputed to have had as high as 600 slaves .

Should we tear down monuments to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?.

No.

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Most of Monticello’s slaves lived in clusters of cabins scattered down the mountain and on outlying farms. In his lifetime Jefferson owned more than 600 slaves. At any one time about 100 slaves lived on the mountain; the highest slave population, in 1817, was 140.
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The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson

A new portrait of the founding father challenges the long-held perception of Thomas Jefferson as a benevolent slaveholder
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VySky said:
This is interesting

Maybe when Trump gets in office we can bring back Fort Bragg and others?

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From the citation:

The NAACP argues in its federal lawsuit that students’ constitutional rights were violated by the district’s act of reverting back to Confederate names. It invoked the First Amendment and 14th Amendment in its lawsuit, saying it “prohibits racial discrimination in state-supported institutions.”​

I'm not sure if they are on solid legal ground here.

”By celebrating the memory of these traitors every time a child walked through the school doors, by embracing the cold wind of intolerance and division and insensitivity, the Shenandoah County School Board has resurrected the ghosts of the Jim Crow era,” NAACP Virginia State Conference President Cozy Bailey said.​

This seems to be a stretch here.

I believe the below is far more reasonable and appropriate stance in this instance.

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Juin said:
I bet Massa Tom Jeff'son, the third President of the United States of America was quite familiar with slave auctions. Heck his Monticello Plantation was delivered posters like that whenever slave auctions were held within a 20 mile radius. See, Massa Tom Jeff'son was an accomplished slaver in his own rights. His Monticello Plantation is reputed to have had as high as 600 slaves .

Should we tear down monuments to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?.

No.

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Most of Monticello’s slaves lived in clusters of cabins scattered down the mountain and on outlying farms. In his lifetime Jefferson owned more than 600 slaves. At any one time about 100 slaves lived on the mountain; the highest slave population, in 1817, was 140.
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www.smithsonianmag.com

The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson

A new portrait of the founding father challenges the long-held perception of Thomas Jefferson as a benevolent slaveholder
www.smithsonianmag.com www.smithsonianmag.com
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Coard: Philly's ties to worst slave auction in American history | Michael Coard | phillytrib.com
 
"Our new government['s]...foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth"

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Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders 'is become the chief of the corner'—the real 'corner-stone'—in our new edifice."

Alexander H. Stephens
Vice President of the Confederacy
 
VySky said:
The will of the people.
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It's "the tyranny of the majority." You all praise the Constitution for protecting us from it, yet you support it here.
 
VySky said:
From the link



"But the momentum has slowed, and those who see honoring Confederate names as part of their heritage and history have worked to get those names back."

“Confederate statues were taken down, the names of Confederate soldiers were removed from buildings and it really was a good moment for many of us in the movement,” Whittenberg said. “Right after that, we saw a lot of the backlash and really just blatant attacks on all of the gains for education equity.”
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I wondered why you think they did it.
 
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