Concealed Wepons Permit?

[TripHoward]

good idea, bad idea?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I support them reluctantly, as a State-issued exemption from a law that the State had no business passing in the first place.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I support them reluctantly, as a State-issued exemption from a law that the State had no business passing in the first place.

Exactly, I had to get mine from Utah. :lol:

 

[Ikari]

I would like to say no only because I think something like a CCW should be a given, I don't think we should need a permit for it. If I have the right to keep and bear arms, then I have that right and I don't need permission from the government to exercise it. I don't like it because it creates a list of people who are willing to exercise the full of their rights, and that's a list I don't think the government should have any access to. In principle I don't like them because I think I should be allowed to conceal carry legally as the default. Same with open carry.

 

[bilbus]

While i agree with most of that .. some people should not be permitted to carry firearms. So realistically, there has to be some regulation.

Also i agree that people should not be permitted to carry weapons in government buildings and that private property owners can say no guns are permitted on their property.

 

[Ambracia]

People have the right to arm themselves if they feel so inclined

 

[Orion]

I am not in favour of a concealed weapons permit if you are simply walking around your neighbourhood or are on the open road, but the second you enter someone else's private property, like a store, a bar, or their home, your gun rights become secondary to their property rules. I would not support, for instance, just anyone walking into a bar with a concealed weapon, and then getting drunk. There should be regulation to weed out the crazies, since a concealed weapon means no one else, even private property owners, know you are carrying it.

At least with non-concealed weapons, everyone knows who has the gun and has the choice to remove themselves from that area or tell the person to take the gun out of their home.

 

[bilbus]

I am not in favour of a concealed weapons permit if you are simply walking around your neighborhood or are on the open road, but the second you enter someone else's private property, like a store, a bar, or their home, your gun rights become secondary to their property rules. I would not support, for instance, just anyone walking into a bar with a concealed weapon, and then getting drunk. There should be regulation to weed out the crazies, since a concealed weapon means no one else, even private property owners, know you are carrying it.

At least with non-concealed weapons, everyone knows who has the gun and has the choice to remove themselves from that area or tell the person to take the gun out of their home.

Why cant i walk down the road with a concealed weapon?

There is regulation to weed out the crazies, its the federal, state, and local background check. If you have been declared mentally unstable, a felon, or anything else that would be a bad match for a CCP you wont get one. You also would probably be detained by the sheriff when you atemped to get the CCW.

You can't walk in to a bar with a weapon, its on the prohibitive location list.

 

[Jerry]

While i agree with most of that .. some people should not be permitted to carry firearms. So realistically, there has to be some regulation.

Also i agree that people should not be permitted to carry weapons in government buildings and that private property owners can say no guns are permitted on their property.

This is an argument against firearms in general, not CCW specifically.

It's ok, it's not just you. Apparently when 2nd amendment threads come along that want to focus on a specific thing, like carrying on a collage campus, the thread is inevitably filled with people who oppose gun ownership in general instead of only the topic specifically.

It's a trend.

For the sake of the argument we'll assume that the only people involved are people whom you might personally approve of carrying a concealed weapon.

 

[Jerry]

I am not in favour of a concealed weapons permit if you are simply walking around your neighbourhood or are on the open road, but the second you enter someone else's private property, like a store, a bar, or their home, your gun rights become secondary to their property rules. I would not support, for instance, just anyone walking into a bar with a concealed weapon, and then getting drunk. There should be regulation to weed out the crazies, since a concealed weapon means no one else, even private property owners, know you are carrying it.

At least with non-concealed weapons, everyone knows who has the gun and has the choice to remove themselves from that area or tell the person to take the gun out of their home.

This post is all the more reason not to tell anyone you carry.

 

[Orion]

Why cant i walk down the road with a concealed weapon?

I already said I believe you should be able to.

There is regulation to weed out the crazies, its the federal, state, and local background check. If you have been declared mentally unstable, a felon, or anything else that would be a bad match for a CCP you wont get one. You also would probably be detained by the sheriff when you atemped to get the CCW.

I'm a bit confused by this. You sound like you disagree with me, but you are essentially saying things that I agree with. In order to get the permit, you need to pass all those background checks, which is the whole point of the permit is it not? That's what I am in favour of.

You can't walk in to a bar with a weapon, its on the prohibitive location list.

I didn't know this.

 

[bilbus]

This is an argument against firearms in general, not CCW specifically.

It's ok, it's not just you. Apparently when 2nd amendment threads come along that want to focus on a specific thing, like carrying on a collage campus, the thread is inevitably filled with people who oppose gun ownership in general instead of only the topic specifically.

It's a trend.

For the sake of the argument we'll assume that the only people involved are people whom you might personally approve of carrying a concealed weapon.

I just dont feel that you should be able to carry on an airplane, a courtroom, and a few other places. All of those places have their own security.

I am very much pro gun ownership, and a CCW holder .. well i need to re apply mine i moved to a new state.

I think there is a limit to gun rights, i am not one of those people who think you should be permited to buy and mount a 50 cal in the back of your pickup truck. Though i did know somone with a ww2 APC with a 50 cal on it.

 

[bilbus]

I am not in favour of a concealed weapons permit if you are simply walking around your neighbourhood or are on the open road, but the second you enter someone else's private property, like a store, a bar, or their home, your gun rights become secondary to their property rules. QUOTE]

Perhaps i misunderstood you?

You mean you want to require a CCW permit at all to carry a weapon in public?

I am also against open carry, but only because you lose all the advantages of carrying a weapon. If i was a criminal, i would perfer open carry .. that way i know who is armed and its much easier to disarm a person who is carrying openly.

With CC you dont know who is armed, and if you are attacked you have the advantage in terms of being able to get to your weapon.

 

[Jerry]

I just dont feel that you should be able to carry on an airplane, a courtroom, and a few other places. All of those places have their own security.

A CCW doesn't negate the prohibative locations list, though, so it's assumed one still can't carry there.

I think there is a limit to gun rights, i am not one of those people who think you should be permited to buy and mount a 50 cal in the back of your pickup truck. Though i did know somone with a ww2 APC with a 50 cal on it.

CCW doesn't cover a 50 cal

 

[bilbus]

A CCW doesn't negate the prohibative locations list, though, so it's assumed one still can't carry there.



CCW doesn't cover a 50 cal

I know, i was making a point that i am not a gun nut that wants to have no gun laws.

I think CCW is great, but with the current regulations.

And you could carry a 50 cal consealed .. if you were shaq

 

[jamesrage]

good idea, bad idea?

I think it is a bad idea in regard that basically you are asking the government to exercise a right.The 2nd amendment has no preconditions,since it says shall not be infringed.The right to keep and bear arms means not only the right to keep them but also the right to be able to carry them. The idea that somehow requiring a permit is going to stop crime is absurd. Last time I checked criminal acts are illegal,so why would someone who already commits crime obey a law requiring them to get a permit? This is just the government's way of trying to keep tabs on those who exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

CCW doesn't cover a 50 cal

Nonsense! It's just a matter of finding a pair of pants saggy enough...

 

[bilbus]

Yup, i saw a video of a kid who hid 11 guns in his pants .. including 9 pistols, a hunting rifle with a scope, and a AR15.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Absolutely not.

One shouldn't need government permission to carry a gun.

In fact, the Second Amendment makes that plain, does it not?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

While i agree with most of that .. some people should not be permitted to carry firearms. So realistically, there has to be some regulation.

The regulation should be that those persons legally denied their right to bear arms, presumably ex-felons, go to spend long long times in prison when they're caught.

Also i agree that people should not be permitted to carry weapons in government buildings

Why not? Aren't government buildings part of the United States and therefore still under the law of the Constitution?

and that private property owners can say no guns are permitted on their property.

Private property owners have always had the freedom, except Randy Weaver's family and the Branch Davidians.

 

[emdash]

Perhaps i misunderstood you?

You mean you want to require a CCW permit at all to carry a weapon in public?

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood. I think he meant that he was generally against requiring permits, not against carrying itself.