Concealed Carry Reciprocity

[JMB1911A1]

So, been thinking on this topic for a while and figured I would throw it out there.

We keep getting the “guns should be regulated like cars” argument thrown at us. Now, we all know (though some refuse to admit it) that a driver’s license is not required to own a vehicle, just operate it on public roads. A driver’s license is more analogous to a concealed carry permit.

Now, I got my driver’s license 39 years ago and have never taken another test. I have lived in multiple states and all I had to do to get a new license was show my old one and pay a fee. Heck, when I was active duty, I didn’t even need to renew my license, my old license plus military ID sufficed. Still despite the fact that I have not had to do anything to validate my driving abilities, I can legally drive in all 50 states, DC, all U.S. territories plus Canada and Mexico.

Now, let’s compare that my concealed carry permits. I have three (FL, VA, and MD). They are good for periods of 2 to 5 years and require a class nd background check plus a large fee to renew. Even with all that, I can only carry in 39 states. There are multiple states where my permits are not valid. Some will allow yiu to get a non-resident permit (MD for example). Some, like CA or MA, don’t allow non-residents to obtain a permit at all.

Let’s not even talk about LEOSA. Any retired cop can carry in any state, not matter their skill level (gun-fu SWAT warrior or fat ass desk sergeant). LEOSA was just a vote buying scheme to split the law enforcement folks off from supporting our rights.

So, why is an enumerated right allowed to be infringed by the states in violation of the 2A (incorporated to the states by the 14A). Especially since there are states that don’t even give non-residents an option to obtain a permit (despite not honoring any other states permits).

National concealed carry reciprocity should be a priority for anyone that believes that our rights belong to all U.S. citizens and that the government exists to protect our rights.

Let the fun comments begin.

 

[BirdinHand]

States rights.

Funny how you guys love that when it comes to bodily autonomy but not your pew pews.

 

[ataraxia]

 

[JMB1911A1]

States rights.

Funny how you guys love that when it comes to bodily autonomy but not your pew pews.

So, no substantial comments.

Try reading McDonald v Chicago and understand what the 14A does. It incorporates the protection of rights to the states.

When you get a constitutional amendment preventing infringement on abortion, it would be incorporated to the states under the 14A. Till then, it is at the state level.

 

[Loulit01]

Gun violence rate U.S. 2024, by state​

Number of gun deaths per 100,000 residents in the United States in 2024, by state

U.S. gun violence rate by state 2025| Statista

Gun violence in 2024 was highest in Mississippi, followed by Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, and Montana.

www.statista.com

Keep that craziness out of NJ. 46 states have more gun violence than NJ. Stay the **** away with that concealed and open carry crap. It don't work, man.

 

[JMB1911A1]

So, no substantial debate, just a cartoon.

Inability to debate noted and your concession accepted.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Gun violence rate U.S. 2024, by state​

Number of gun deaths per 100,000 residents in the United States in 2024, by state

U.S. gun violence rate by state 2025| Statista

Gun violence in 2024 was highest in Mississippi, followed by Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, and Montana.

www.statista.com

Keep that craziness out of NJ. 46 states have more gun violence than NJ. Stay the **** away with that concealed and open carry crap. It don't work, man.

So, you are using a study that included suicide as “gun violence” to argue for the infringement on enumerated rights?

What does suicide have to do with concealed carry?

 

[Sweden]

So, been thinking on this topic for a while and figured I would throw it out there.

We keep getting the “guns should be regulated like cars” argument thrown at us. Now, we all know (though some refuse to admit it) that a driver’s license is not required to own a vehicle, just operate it on public roads. A driver’s license is more analogous to a concealed carry permit.

Now, I got my driver’s license 39 years ago and have never taken another test. I have lived in multiple states and all I had to do to get a new license was show my old one and pay a fee. Heck, when I was active duty, I didn’t even need to renew my license, my old license plus military ID sufficed. Still despite the fact that I have not had to do anything to validate my driving abilities, I can legally drive in all 50 states, DC, all U.S. territories plus Canada and Mexico.

Now, let’s compare that my concealed carry permits. I have three (FL, VA, and MD). They are good for periods of 2 to 5 years and require a class nd background check plus a large fee to renew. Even with all that, I can only carry in 39 states. There are multiple states where my permits are not valid. Some will allow yiu to get a non-resident permit (MD for example). Some, like CA or MA, don’t allow non-residents to obtain a permit at all.

Let’s not even talk about LEOSA. Any retired cop can carry in any state, not matter their skill level (gun-fu SWAT warrior or fat ass desk sergeant). LEOSA was just a vote buying scheme to split the law enforcement folks off from supporting our rights.

So, why is an enumerated right allowed to be infringed by the states in violation of the 2A (incorporated to the states by the 14A). Especially since there are states that don’t even give non-residents an option to obtain a permit (despite not honoring any other states permits).

National concealed carry reciprocity should be a priority for anyone that believes that our rights belong to all U.S. citizens and that the government exists to protect our rights.

Let the fun comments begin.

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That's very impressive to those of us who lice in places where concealed carry does not exist. If you don't mind me asking how many people have you shot?

 

[Loulit01]

So, you are using a study that included suicide as “gun violence” to argue for the infringement on enumerated rights?

What does suicide have to do with concealed carry?

What we have works. That's all you need to know. You want to live in a gun happy state, I wish you luck. But don't bring it here.

 

[BirdinHand]

What we have works. That's all you need to know, You want to live in a gun happy state, I wish you luck. But don't bring it here.

Co-signed from NJ.

 

[BirdinHand]

So, no substantial comments.

Try reading McDonald v Chicago and understand what the 14A does. It incorporates the protection of rights to the states.

When you get a constitutional amendment preventing infringement on abortion, it would be incorporated to the states under the 14A. Till then, it is at the state level.

Just like your conceal carry dreams.

 

[JMB1911A1]

What we have works. That's all you need to know. You want to live in a gun happy state, I wish you luck. But don't bring it here.

Well, actually, I can get a non-resident permit in NJ. I just don’t feel a need since I never travel to NJ.

Can I Get a Gun Permit as a Non-Resident of New Jersey? | Non-Resident Firearms Permits NJ

Find out the rules that apply to non-residents and dual residents interested in applying for firearms licenses and ID cards in NJ. Call our attorneys for a free consultation.

www.newjerseygunlawyers.com

I have a MD permit because I have property in MD and that way, I don’t need to disarm myself at the Harry Nice Bridge when crossing from VA to MD.

NJ has over 30,000 permits issued and growing every year. Freedom always wins out,

N.J. reports huge jump in number of people seeking gun carry permits

The numbers reflect the first complete picture of the number of those carrying guns in the state since the Supreme Court ruling.

www.nj.com

 

[JMB1911A1]

That's very impressive to those of us who lice in places where concealed carry does not exist. If you don't mind me asking how many people have you shot?

Strange question. That is like asking how many elections I have voted in when discussing the right to vote.

BTW, it the right to “keep and bear arms”, not a right to shoot people.

 

[Loulit01]

Well, actually, I can get a non-resident permit in NJ. I just don’t feel a need since I never travel to NJ.

Can I Get a Gun Permit as a Non-Resident of New Jersey? | Non-Resident Firearms Permits NJ

Find out the rules that apply to non-residents and dual residents interested in applying for firearms licenses and ID cards in NJ. Call our attorneys for a free consultation.

www.newjerseygunlawyers.com

I have a MD permit because I have property in MD and that way, I don’t need to disarm myself at the Harry Nice Bridge when crossing from VA to MD.

NJ has over 30,000 permits issued and growing every year. Freedom always wins out,

N.J. reports huge jump in number of people seeking gun carry permits

The numbers reflect the first complete picture of the number of those carrying guns in the state since the Supreme Court ruling.

www.nj.com

I have gun permits. My sister and brother-in-law took up trap and skeet shooting. They're now shotgun happy, Over/under, side by side, pump action, fancy wooden stocks... They're up to eight shotguns now, I think.

I don't want to take away the 2nd Amendment. But if you have mental health issues, no gun for you. Domestic violence? No gun for you. Felonies? No gun for you.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

You are asking for a national policy on concealed carry that matches the most libertine state in the union's laws concerning firearms. That would mean the citizens of any state other than the most pro-gun state would have no say in their own laws concerning safety to an even greater degree than they do currently.

 

[BirdinHand]

Well, actually, I can get a non-resident permit in NJ. I just don’t feel a need since I never travel to NJ.

Can I Get a Gun Permit as a Non-Resident of New Jersey? | Non-Resident Firearms Permits NJ

Find out the rules that apply to non-residents and dual residents interested in applying for firearms licenses and ID cards in NJ. Call our attorneys for a free consultation.

www.newjerseygunlawyers.com

I have a MD permit because I have property in MD and that way, I don’t need to disarm myself at the Harry Nice Bridge when crossing from VA to MD.

NJ has over 30,000 permits issued and growing every year. Freedom always wins out,

N.J. reports huge jump in number of people seeking gun carry permits

The numbers reflect the first complete picture of the number of those carrying guns in the state since the Supreme Court ruling.

www.nj.com

Over 9 million residents in NJ.
Highest population density in the US
Some of the lowest conceal carry numbers in the country.

Still a win!

 

[RF667799]

I have gun permits. My sister and brother-in-law took up trap and skeet shooting. They're now shotgun happy, Over/under, side by side, pump action, fancy wooden stocks... They're up to eight shotguns now, I think.

I don't want to take away the 2nd Amendment. But if you have mental health issues, no gun for you. Domestic violence? No gun for you. Felonies? No gun for you.

That's current federal law.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

So, you are using a study that included suicide as “gun violence” to argue for the infringement on enumerated rights?

Enumerated rights?

Where does it say you have the right to concealed carry? Even under a conservative interpretation at best it protects your right to buy and own firearms.

If you believe in concealed carry defend it on its own merits. Don't pretend concealed carry rights are somehow protected by the constitution.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I have gun permits. My sister and brother-in-law took up trap and skeet shooting. They're now shotgun happy, Over/under, side by side, pump action, fancy wooden stocks... They're up to eight shotguns now, I think.

I don't want to take away the 2nd Amendment. But if you have mental health issues, no gun for you. Domestic violence? No gun for you. Felonies? No gun for you.

I have no problem with that. Every time I renew my permits, they do a background check.

Here is my point. If I have a permit with a valid background check, what is the rationale to restrict my enumerated rights solely because I cross a state line?

 

[Loulit01]

I have no problem with that. Every time I renew my permits, they do a background check.

Here is my point. If I have a permit with a valid background check, what is the rationale to restrict my enumerated rights solely because I cross a state line?

The rational is not all states are the same. The people of each individual state can adjust the laws to suit their particular needs.

If it works, don't fix it.

 

[BirdinHand]

I have no problem with that. Every time I renew my permits, they do a background check.

Here is my point. If I have a permit with a valid background check, what is the rationale to restrict my enumerated rights solely because I cross a state line?

States rights.

You don’t have an enumerated right to walk around everywhere carrying a pew pew.

Don’t like it, change the Constitution.

Just like you flippantly tell women to change the constitution when it comes to states restricting what we can do with our own bodies.

“Til then it is at a states level”

 

[JMB1911A1]

Enumerated rights?

Where does it say you have the right to concealed carry? Even under a conservative interpretation at best it protects your right to buy and own firearms.

If you believe in concealed carry defend it on its own merits. Don't pretend concealed carry rights are somehow protected by the constitution.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What do you think the word “bear” means?

I am fine with open carry but concealed carry is much more polite around some of our hoplophobic folks.

 

[bomberfox]

If you want substantial debate maybe be less of a cartoon?

 

[Loulit01]

That's current federal law.

Unless you buy from a private seller at a gun show.

 

[bomberfox]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What do you think the word “bear” means?

I am fine with open carry but concealed carry is much more polite around some of our hoplophobic folks.

SCOTUS said the second is not an unlimited right.