Compromise to illegal immigration issue.

[Integrityrespec]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

 

[The Brad Dad]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

We already compromise: we allow the companies that create the market for illegal labor to flourish, and then when we crack down on it we go after the labor and not the owners.

Additionally, Trump and the GOP haven't affected any laws around their policies. It's just all EO's. So Trump has actually done a pretty terrible job of immigration even getting past the unconstitutional actions. So far the GOP has failed miserably on immigration.

 

[Individual]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

I would include "no path to citizenship" with legal residence requiring periodic check in with immigration services and an annual fee remain legal. The path to citizenship should be extended ONLY to those who enter legally.
I've lived abroad for nearly 4 decades now, and like the system where I live. I entered legally with a 90 day non-immigrant visa, and extended it to a 1 year visa which required me to show that I had adequate income from abroad to provide my full support for 1 year, and requires me to contact immigration services to confirm my residence location every 90 days, with a small daily fine if not done on time, and possible deportation if need to be found. The visa extension only costs me about $50 each year, and the 90 day report if done on time is cost free. I was visited twice by immigration to confirm my residence during the first 10-15 years, but now I've become a landmark for giving directions as my residence is used by the delivery services to find others houses.

I agree, most every issue could be resolved by finding a middle ground acceptable to a vast majority, if we tried. Party politics, IMO, has become a "my way or the highway" form of government.

 

[Gatsby]

If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed.

Why would anyone take this deal? What's the upside? If they do nothing, they can remain for more than 6 months because they probably won't get caught, and even if they do, it will probably take longer than 6 months to deport them anyway.

This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.

That might be a worthwhile deal if it was actually clear that this was going to happen. But no one is going to willingly provide information for Donald Trump to hunt them down, on the promise that he might grant amnesty for millions of people at some later date.
Now if we want to talk about a congressionally-approved amnesty, that Donald Trump can't renege on once he gets the addresses of everyone he wants to hunt down, that's a different matter. That would be a step in the right direction.

 

[Individual]

Why would anyone take this deal? What's the upside? If they do nothing, they can remain for more than 6 months because they probably won't get caught, and even if they do, it will probably take longer than 6 months to deport them anyway.


That might be a worthwhile deal if it was actually clear that this was going to happen. But no one is going to willingly provide information for Donald Trump to hunt them down, on the promise that he might grant amnesty for millions of people at some later date.
Now if we want to talk about a congressionally-approved amnesty, that Donald Trump can't renege on once he gets the addresses of everyone he wants to hunt down, that's a different matter. That would be a step in the right direction.

If Congress was to set a 90 day period requiring all who entered illegally, or have overstayed their visa to register, and perhaps pay a small fine, allowing them to remain for 6 months to have their case considered, after which those who did not comply would have no recourse but immediate deportation, that would be a reasonable way to go IMO.
There should be no amnesty, for a path to citizenship, aside from legal entry.

 

[Gatsby]

If Congress was to set a 90 day period requiring all who entered illegally, or have overstayed their visa to register, and perhaps pay a small fine, allowing them to remain for 6 months to have their case considered,

I'm not sure what you mean by "have their case considered." If they are here illegally then they don't have a case, unless the law is changed or they have a promise of some sort of amnesty.

after which those who did not comply would have no recourse but immediate deportation, that would be a reasonable way to go IMO.
There should be no amnesty, for a path to citizenship, aside from legal entry.

I agree that there shouldn't be an automatic path to citizenship, at least for most of them. But we can do amnesty without doing a path to citizenship...basically a visa letting them live/work here indefinitely as long as they don't get in trouble, but no path to citizenship.

 

[Individual]

I'm not sure what you mean by "have their case considered." If they are here illegally then they don't have a case, unless the law is changed or they have a promise of some sort of amnesty.


I agree that there shouldn't be an automatic path to citizenship, at least for most of them. But we can do amnesty without doing a path to citizenship...basically a visa letting them live/work here indefinitely as long as they don't get in trouble, but no path to citizenship.

Why did they enter illegally?
There should be no path to citizenship, IMO, for ANY who entered illegally, though they may have a valid claim to remain which should only be considered by first identifying themself. Failure to do so, would eliminate their having their claim be heard, leaving immediate deportation as the only act of due process.

 

[aociswundumho]

I'm not sure what you mean by "have their case considered." If they are here illegally then they don't have a case, unless the law is changed or they have a promise of some sort of amnesty.


I agree that there shouldn't be an automatic path to citizenship, at least for most of them. But we can do amnesty without doing a path to citizenship...basically a visa letting them live/work here indefinitely as long as they don't get in trouble, but no path to citizenship.

Would they be allowed to vote?

 

[Gatsby]

Would they be allowed to vote?

No, only citizens can vote in federal or state elections. I think there's a few cities that allow non-citizens to vote in local elections but I'm not sure of the details.

 

[Nickyjo]

If Congress was to set a 90 day period requiring all who entered illegally, or have overstayed their visa to register, and perhaps pay a small fine, allowing them to remain for 6 months to have their case considered, after which those who did not comply would have no recourse but immediate deportation, that would be a reasonable way to go IMO.
There should be no amnesty, for a path to citizenship, aside from legal entry.

And we will inform all those here illegally of this detailed plan of hundreds of words on road signs or 30-second ads in English, Spanish, Creole, Arabic, etc?

 

[Individual]

And we will inform all those here illegally of this detailed plan of hundreds of words on road signs or 30-second ads in English, Spanish, Creole, Arabic, etc?

News, especially something like that would be, travels quite rapidly in today's world.
Employers, who have illegals working for them who want to keep them, would likely post signs in the workplace.

 

[aociswundumho]

No, only citizens can vote in federal or state elections. I think there's a few cities that allow non-citizens to vote in local elections but I'm not sure of the details.

So you're going to tax them but not let them vote?

 

[Gatsby]

So you're going to tax them but not let them vote?

Yes.

 

[Cameron]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

This compromise would only work with a trustworthy leader. Trump and MAGA could not be trusted not to turn around and deport every single person who identifies themselves the next day to Uganda.

Furthermore, it’s not really a compromise to say deport only the criminals and keep the people performing useful work, that’s just the right answer. It’s what most Dems, and people for that matter, already support. It’s just the racist MAGAs wanting to go farther.

 

[Nickyjo]

News, especially something like that would be, travels quite rapidly in today's world.
Employers, who have illegals working for them who want to keep them, would likely post signs in the workplace.

I worked with immigrants, legal and not, for more than 20 years. The amount of false info that gets thrown around was astounding. Their assumptions were based on a combination of naïveté, some half knowledge of reality, what unscrupulous hustlers told them, and misinterpretation of laws and rules. The stuff proposed would have to be translated accurately and probably communicated to them by legal council.

I repeat that a far easier move towards dealing with the problem would be to make the jobs that illegals take more attractive to citizens and legal immigrants. But the forces that demonize migrants also will resist things like raising wages and bettering working conditions, to say nothing of arresting or fining those who hire illegals. It’s win-win for the right wing.

 

[phoenix2020]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

Donald and Stephen aren't interested in your proposal and prefer that you stay in your lane and follow their orders.

 

[Individual]

I worked with immigrants, legal and not, for more than 20 years. The amount of false info that gets thrown around was astounding. Their assumptions were based on a combination of naïveté, some half knowledge of reality, what unscrupulous hustlers told them, and misinterpretation of laws and rules. The stuff proposed would have to be translated accurately and probably communicated to them by legal council.

I repeat that a far easier move towards dealing with the problem would be to make the jobs that illegals take more attractive to citizens and legal immigrants. But the forces that demonize migrants also will resist things like raising wages and bettering working conditions, to say nothing of arresting or fining those who hire illegals. It’s win-win for the right wing.

And how does that deal with the existing issue of millions of illegal immigrants?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

 

[Peacenik]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

I appreciate that you're talking about compromise. I don't see any incentive for undocumented immigrants to do this. They are essentially agreeing to leave the country on a date 6 months out. What is the incentive for compliance with this idea? None.

Many are already registered. They are the ones being rounded up and deported. They are the easiest ones to deport.

Registering with the government is the fast track to getting deported.

Not registering gives them a chance to stay longer.

Also, no consideration is given to the economic benefit of having all these workers here producing.

It is commendable to see someone on the right talking about compromise, but this idea falls way short of something that is really going to be workable for the USA. It fails to recognize that our economy needs these workers.

 

[Peacenik]

Here is a better compromise idea: (Which can't work as long as Trump is president because he can't be trusted)

Seeing as how most immigrants are productive workers important to the US economy...

1. You can come into this country but you must register with the government as soon as possible upon entry. If you are not registered, you can be deported immediately.
2. You must find productive work of at least 32 hours per week within one month. If you don't you can be deported immediately.
3. If you get arrested, you are entitled to a fair and prompt trial which you will not delay with repeated delay tactic motions. If you are found innocent you can stay. If you are found guilty you will either be deported immediately or serve time and then be deported upon time served.
4. You must pay all applicable taxes.
5. You must pay an additional immigrant tax amounting to $3K per year. If you don't pay you can be deported immediately.
6. If you comply with all these requirements you can apply for citizenship after 20 years of not only contributing to the US economy, but paying extra to the USA for the privilege of it.
7. You qualify for no benefits from the US federal government until you successfully complete 1-6. No Social Security benefits, but you must pay the full amount into the system as if you were accruing benefits (which you are not until you become a citizen.)

 

[Nickyjo]

And how does that deal with the existing issue of millions of illegal immigrants?

If they can’t find jobs, they will return home. If and when they are inspected by ICE they can be deported. Until then, they will continue to contribute with their labor, lowering prices for the rest of us. That is easier for our society to bear than the Trump tactics we’ve seen.

 

[StillBallin75]

I don't find common ground with fascists. Or people who believe in the oppression of other working class folks based on arbitrary characteristics like which side of an arbitrary colonizer-drawn line they were born on.

Your beliefs deserve absolutely zero respect and zero entertainment by serious or decent people.

 

[ashton]

I mean there's plenty of ways a compromise could happen on paper that's almost happened several times. The hard part is convincing people to compromise in the first place. For this particular issue it's convincing Republicans, because Republicans know that they are trusted on the issue, and Democrats aren't. If this doesn't get solved, it only hurts Democrats and helps Republicans. They have no incentive to compromise, and every incentive to make sure if/when it gets solved, it's on their terms and that they get all the credit.

 

[rahl]

So in politics you get more done if you can compromise on issues and come to more common ground. So heres my proposal on the illegal immigration issue.
All illegal immigrants have 3 months to self identify with ICE, CPB or another designated federal agency designated for that purpose. You will have to provide information about yourself, age, DOB, place of birth, race, sex, address, level of education, any professional training, all the typical questions asked on such forms. You also have to register your children and spouse if they exist. You need to have a permanent address where you can be reached, a phone number if you have one, what type work you are employed in and with what company or provider. Where and when you entered the U.S. How are you providing for your upkeep at the present time. Do you have any current health issues and if yes, what are they. I'm sure there are lots of others but those are good starters. If you register within 3 months you can remain for at least 6 months while your information is processed. This is providing you don't get arrested, charged and convicted of any crimes during that time. Any violent crime will get you placed in jail until the case is completely resolved. The government will check your information. Any criminal record gets you sent home. If you have no skills with which to support yourself and any family, you get sent home.
This is a start for allowing some of the illegals to remain, but the conditions have no wiggle room. You meet them or you go.
We don't owe anyone a right to enter the country illegally and benefit from it. Asylum is the only exception and all asylum requirements have to be met without exception. Harsh? Maybe, but then they are already lawbreakers who don't honor our laws, or our sovereignty.

Item one on your list needs to be where are they employed. The employer needs a minimum of $250,000 fine per illegal hired on top of minimum 5 years in federal prison per illegal hired.

 

[Individual]

Item one on your list needs to be where are they employed. The employer needs a minimum of $250,000 fine per illegal hired on top of minimum 5 years in federal prison per illegal hired.

Better yet, pay prospective employers $25,000 for each illegal they report for looking to be employed.