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Compromise on birth control and abortion?

samsmart

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I was just wondering if those here who are pro-choice would allow more restrictions on abortion if pro-lifers would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. And I was wondering if there were pro-lifers here who would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies if pro-choicers would allow more restrictions on abortions.
 
Negative. I don't speak for all pro-choicers, but I don't support any further limitations on abortions.

Birth control education is and has always been up to the parents. Some schools help out and some don't. I wish more did, but nobody can stop kids from learning.
 
I'm pro-choice politically, and pro-life personally. That being said, I don't believe that increasing education will have any significant effect on illigetimacy or abortion rates. It's not the intellectual capacity of young people that is causing the problem. Schools have been teaching BC and family planning-type courses since I was in high school in the early 70's. It seems to be more of a cultural and moral decline that is causing the problem than anything else. That's not really anything that education can change.
 
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samsmart said:
I was just wondering if those here who are pro-choice would allow more restrictions on abortion if pro-lifers would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. And I was wondering if there were pro-lifers here who would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies if pro-choicers would allow more restrictions on abortions.
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I'll negotiate on all sorts of things.

How about; you get elective abortion if you also have to complete Financial Peace University Lifetime Membership? I would then have no problem with the whole thing funded by tax payers. Sound good?

Sex-ed in the school? Fine, great...only as an elective and parents get to see all material up front.
Alternatively, I'll give you mandatory sex-ed in the curriculum if you give me alternative sources to acquire that sex-ed; to include certified instructors in private companies and churches. After all, choice is king, right?
 
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lizzie said:
I'm pro-choice politically, and pro-life personally.
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There is no personal/political dynamic. You either support someone else's ability to abort or you don't. It's truly one of those rare things which is actually black or white.

You are pro-choice, which is fine, but we need to have clarity of that up front.
 
samsmart said:
I was just wondering if those here who are pro-choice would allow more restrictions on abortion if pro-lifers would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. And I was wondering if there were pro-lifers here who would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies if pro-choicers would allow more restrictions on abortions.
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Interesting attempt at a compromise, Sams.

Some of the responses (already) show just how un-compromising the left is on this.

About a year ago, I offered a compromise of my own (on the Air America- Jerry Springer show),... And I got pretty much the same kind of responses. I have to admit, your compromise should be a lot more to their liking than my own.... so I'm surprised at the reluctance to accept.

:doh
 
samsmart said:
I was just wondering if those here who are pro-choice would allow more restrictions on abortion if pro-lifers would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. And I was wondering if there were pro-lifers here who would allow more comprehensive sex education in schools and allow accessible birth control to teens and the poor to help prevent unwanted pregnancies if pro-choicers would allow more restrictions on abortions.
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what restrictions are you proposing?
 
Chuz Life said:
Interesting attempt at a compromise, Sams.

Some of the responses (already) show just how un-compromising the left is on this.

About a year ago, I offered a compromise of my own (on the Air America- Jerry Springer show),... And I got pretty much the same kind of responses. I have to admit, your compromise should be a lot more to their liking than my own.... so I'm surprised at the reluctance to accept.

:doh
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ha yeah, only the left is unwilling to compromise. :roll:And why should they be willing to compromise? Abortions are already legal; pro lifers are the one who want things changed. I don't see people who view abortion as murder willing to compromise.
 
kerussll said:
ha yeah, only the left is unwilling to compromise. :roll:And why should they be willing to compromise? Abortions are already legal; pro lifers are the one who want things changed. I don't see people who view abortion as murder willing to compromise.
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Did you not click on my link?

I offered a compromise that I would not only support.... but it is also a compromise that would let you have all the abortions you want and for any reason you want.

I just want you to admit you are killing a child when you are doing so.
 
Chuz Life said:
Did you not click on my link?

I offered a compromise that I would not only support.... but it is also a compromise that would let you have all the abortions you want and for any reason you want.

I just want you to admit you are killing a child when you are doing so.
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Yeah, I clicked on your link. Why should we admit to something that is not true to gain absolutely nothing???

OMG this is too good. Your own definition of child includes birth as a definition :lamo You've thoroughly proved your idea of "child" is not universal. Now give up on your silly compromise.
 
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Jerry said:
There is no personal/political dynamic. You either support someone else's ability to abort or you don't. It's truly one of those rare things which is actually black or white.

You are pro-choice, which is fine, but we need to have clarity of that up front.
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It's a very simple matter. I personally have an ethical and moral problem with abortion, but I do not wish to impose my own beliefs on others. It's no more black and white than the difference in murdering without just cause or murdering in self-defense.
 
kerussll said:
Yeah, I clicked on your link. Why should we admit to something that is not true to gain absolutely nothing???

OMG this is too good. Your own definition of child includes birth as a definition :lamo You've thoroughly proved your idea of "child" is not universal. Now give up on your silly compromise.
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Dear MODERATOR(s), May I have your permission to submit photoGRAPHIC evidence to support my claim that an abortion kills a child?
 
Chuz Life said:
Did you not click on my link?

I offered a compromise that I would not only support.... but it is also a compromise that would let you have all the abortions you want and for any reason you want.

I just want you to admit you are killing a child when you are doing so.
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If they could admit it, they wouldn't be doing it.
 
lizzie said:
It's a very simple matter. I personally have an ethical and moral problem with abortion, but I do not wish to impose my own beliefs on others. It's no more black and white than the difference in murdering without just cause or murdering in self-defense.
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Right, that's pro-choice. You're not pro-life because you don't want to impose your beliefs onto others.

These labels represent your general view on public policy, as they are political labels, not personal opinion labels.
 
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Chuz Life said:
How do you know that for sure?
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Well, there are probably a few heartless killers out there who could kill something that they perceived to be a child, but I don't believe that is generally the case, or we would be seeing high child murder rates committed by otherwise seemingly normal adults.
 
Chuz Life said:
Did you not click on my link?

I offered a compromise that I would not only support.... but it is also a compromise that would let you have all the abortions you want and for any reason you want.

I just want you to admit you are killing a child when you are doing so.
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why? why does it matter to you what is in another person's heart?
 
liblady said:
why? why does it matter to you what is in another person's heart?
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I don't (significantly) care what is in the hearts of others.

But I do care about my Country, our Constitution, my rights and the rights of others,... and reality.

I don't live in or appreciate the world of "denials and deceit" that allows the denial of personhood and the rights of pre-birth children to take place.

Admit abortions kill children,... have as many as you want.... and let's live in THAT reality.
 
lizzie said:
Well, there are probably a few heartless killers out there who could kill something that they perceived to be a child, but I don't believe that is generally the case, or we would be seeing high child murder rates committed by otherwise seemingly normal adults.
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When I look at the pictures, ultrasounds, sonograms and other facts we already have available today,... I have to question whether or not it's a matter of perception.

I think those who support keeping elective abortions legal already know (privately) that it kills a child,... they just can't afford to admit it publically.
 
Chuz Life said:
I don't (significantly) care what is in the hearts of others.

But I do care about my Country, our Constitution, my rights and the rights of others,... and reality.

I don't live in or appreciate the world of "denials and deceit" that allows the denial of personhood and the rights of pre-birth children to take place.

Admit abortions kill children,... have as many as you want.... and let's live in THAT reality.
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i am not one who believes that abortion is harmless. it is, however, legal. and no one availing themselves of an abortion is required to profess anything to you or anyone else.
 
Chuz Life said:
I think those who support keeping elective abortions legal already know (privately) that it kills a child,... they just can't afford to admit it publically.
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I don't think they do know that, privately or not. Many people are incapable of extending imagination to something that they cannot see or sympathize with on an emotional level. They see a fetus as a brainless lump of tissue, and are unable to look forward to what it will become. They are unwilling to extend the concept of grace and love for what will be, and are unable to put aside their own wishes to give someone else a chance.
 
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