Communists on DP

[Helix]

I make a great creamy cucumber salad. I have to laugh at some of the comments from the right, it keeps my from crying.

I think that humor might be the last bastion of sanity.

 

[bongsaway]

I think that humor might be the last bastion of sanity.

Me too.

 

[danielpalos]

A Commune of Heaven on Earth not the Expense of Government!

 

[Paradoxical]

Don't worry, DP is loaded with commies, but most of them are too embarrassed to admit what they are.

LMAO. Best line on DP I've seen in awhile.

Maybe they'll crawl out of the cracks now?

 

[Paradoxical]

I lean to the left of the Birchers, so I've been called a commie. I like for people to have health care, so that makes me a commie.

Whooda thunk! Stop the presses!

 

[Paradoxical]

When I started out in my teens, I was a Trotskyist. But I did read a few really good books on Marxist philosophy that meant I shifted more in the Marxist-Leninist direction as I came to appreciate some of the nuances more. I've never been particularly pro-Stalin, so it's always been a bit of a juggling act between being intrigued by the philosophy and appalled by the historical results and death tolls. Communism just never seems to have a happy ending.

I was a member of the Communist Party of Britain for less than a year (it was the biggest one in the UK, so it was a logical first place to start) and I considered joining the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) but I decided against it was they are too extreme. I've become more moderate since then but the influence remains strong. In most elections my first preference is voting Green, but otherwise I'll vote Labour. At the moment, I tend to think things are so screwed up that "eventually" a new economic and political model is going to be necessary. I would put climate change and environmental problems at the top of the list of things which need that to happen.

Sometimes the greatest football team someone can dream up on paper fails miserably in a real game of hard nosed, intelligent, determined players.

The thing with left wing ideology is that it raises a bunch of people who can't fend for themselves if their life depended on it and have to depend on others to change a light bulb.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The thing with left wing ideology is that it raises a bunch of people who can't fend for themselves if their life depended on it and have to depend on others to change a light bulb.

Is that why that light bulb over your head never lights up? :lamo

 

[Lutherf]

Thankfully you're around to tell them. How moronic of a statement. How do you know you're really a conservative? A lot of people also don't realize they are brain dead.

I know I'm a Conservative because my political outlook is grounded in a specific set of principles and those principles don't change just because the guy in the White House is someone I dislike or disagree with.

 

[bongsaway]

I know I'm a Conservative because my political outlook is grounded in a specific set of principles and those principles don't change just because the guy in the White House is someone I dislike or disagree with.

So how come the gop keeps putting people into the white house they disagree with. W was a star until about a year before his second term ended. After that the gop didn't even know him. Both him and his vice president weren't even invited to their party's national convention in the end. The only difference between W and trump is trump won't get a second term to screw us like W did. Principles, is that like nixon's good folks, good americans who tried their best to subvert an election?

 

[Kyle Phoenix]

Sometimes the greatest football team someone can dream up on paper fails miserably in a real game of hard nosed, intelligent, determined players.

The thing with left wing ideology is that it raises a bunch of people who can't fend for themselves if their life depended on it and have to depend on others to change a light bulb.

I can't deny left-wing ideology has it's issues. But I think as a Conservative you might concede there is an alarming conformism that transforms individuals in to herds in American society. It's what dictatorships are made of.

 

[Lutherf]

So how come the gop keeps putting people into the white house they disagree with. W was a star until about a year before his second term ended. After that the gop didn't even know him. Both him and his vice president weren't even invited to their party's national convention in the end. The only difference between W and trump is trump won't get a second term to screw us like W did. Principles, is that like nixon's good folks, good americans who tried their best to subvert an election?

Conservatives started having problems with Bush right around the Patriot Act. That got worse the more he dicked around with Iraq and then, after Katrina when he flat out stopped standing up for himself, his mission and Conservative principles as a whole, a lot of us abandoned not just him but the GOP in general. The GOP dumped McCain on us in 2008 but he failed to recognize the threat to the Constitution we kept telling him about. In 2010 we handed the GOP a landslide victory and they turned around and handed us Romney in 2012. Donald Trump's election, in many ways, was a giant **** YOU to the GOP but, more importantly, it was a vote AGAINST the political aristocracy that had been moving the nation farther and farther left. The response to Trump has pretty much validated EVERY concern we had about the direction of the country and exposed quite a few issues we hadn't even imagined. This past primary season was truly telling in that the left expressed plans and programs directly couched in Marxist principles but actively endorsed candidates that were outwardly and proudly Marxist.

With the break in campaigning for purposes of fully enjoying the pandemic panic and violent revolutionary uprising couched in a "civil rights" protest the communists are coming back full speed and a portion of the GOP we abandoned has chosen to join them.

 

[Paradoxical]

Is that why that light bulb over your head never lights up? :lamo

OK. I have to admit. That was a good shot. )Only reason it's funny is because everyone here knows that my light bulb even when switched off is as bright as the shiniest star in the galaxy.

 

[Paradoxical]

I can't deny left-wing ideology has it's issues. But I think as a Conservative you might concede there is an alarming conformism that transforms individuals in to herds in American society. It's what dictatorships are made of.

That looks more like a picture of liberals hearing that Obama was handing out free health care.

 

[d0gbreath]

I believe in the Marx/Engels philosophy. Having it implemented successfully anywhere in the world seems to be the drawback. Everyone being equally impoverished does remove greed, but it also removes happiness for the most part.

 

[aociswundumho]

I believe in the Marx/Engels philosophy. Having it implemented successfully anywhere in the world seems to be the drawback. Everyone being equally impoverished does remove greed, but it also removes happiness for the most part.

That's a very honest appraisal. As a capitalist, I'll concede capitalism does reward self-interest and will never produce equal outcomes. With capitalism, luck and circumstance also play significant roles as well. However in the very short time it's been on this earth, it has pulled literally billions of people out of poverty.

One small issue with what you wrote about equal impoverishment under Marxism. The top vanguard party members always live well, while everyone else suffers.

 

[Moonglow]

hey there,

I was wondering if there are any other communists active on debate politics.com. The Profile Statistics do make it seem like a drop in the ocean of the total membership with 0.46%.

I have been a communist for over ten years and, although I remain sympathetic, I have lost the enthusiasm of the old days when I first started out. So I'm still curious to get to know if there are any other reds out there.

Once you are in a nursing home they are all reds...

 

[bongsaway]

Conservatives started having problems with Bush right around the Patriot Act. That got worse the more he dicked around with Iraq and then, after Katrina when he flat out stopped standing up for himself, his mission and Conservative principles as a whole, a lot of us abandoned not just him but the GOP in general. The GOP dumped McCain on us in 2008 but he failed to recognize the threat to the Constitution we kept telling him about. In 2010 we handed the GOP a landslide victory and they turned around and handed us Romney in 2012. Donald Trump's election, in many ways, was a giant **** YOU to the GOP but, more importantly, it was a vote AGAINST the political aristocracy that had been moving the nation farther and farther left. The response to Trump has pretty much validated EVERY concern we had about the direction of the country and exposed quite a few issues we hadn't even imagined. This past primary season was truly telling in that the left expressed plans and programs directly couched in Marxist principles but actively endorsed candidates that were outwardly and proudly Marxist.

With the break in campaigning for purposes of fully enjoying the pandemic panic and violent revolutionary uprising couched in a "civil rights" protest the communists are coming back full speed and a portion of the GOP we abandoned has chosen to join them.

Impressive. However it must suck seeing enemies everywhere out to subvert your america.

 

[Lutherf]

Impressive. However it must suck seeing enemies everywhere out to subvert your america.

They aren't "enemies". They are also Americans. What they are is a threat to the Constitution and should they gain the power to eliminate or nullify that protection THEN they will become enemies.

 

[bongsaway]

They aren't "enemies". They are also Americans. What they are is a threat to the Constitution and should they gain the power to eliminate or nullify that protection THEN they will become enemies.

Oh please. I'm so sick of hearing about how republicans just love the constitution. Reality is they love their idea of what the constitution means and screw anyone who disagrees.

 

[truthatallcost]

I've watched that show a bit. Not bad.

Basically, health care here is vastly dependent on where you work and how well off you are. Some legacy workers have great care and don't pay much at all. Others fall through holes in coverage and lose their asses. If you're poor enough, you might have good coverage until you make too much money. Others might think they have good coverage and find out that they don't when it's too late. It's a piss poor distribution system for care that is generally overpriced but good. That's the best short summary I can give you.

The grass is always greener on the other side. Healthcare in the UK shares a few similarities with the US; socioeconomic status determines the quality of care people receive.

Boy slept on hospital floor due to lack of beds - BBC News

Doctor can return to work after causing decapitation of baby in mother's womb, tribunal rules | The Independent

Where do Americans get their rosy opinion of British healthcare? Certainly not from firsthand experience.

 

[truthatallcost]

I believe in the Marx/Engels philosophy. Having it implemented successfully anywhere in the world seems to be the drawback. Everyone being equally impoverished does remove greed, but it also removes happiness for the most part.

Stalin's real home was hidden in a forest, because he didn't want Russians to know that his real home had 3 bedrooms just for him to use, servants, personal chefs, a vast wine cellar, and other luxuries. Greed wasn't eliminated in the USSR, but the hope of ever rising above one's socioeconomic status was. Life was better under the tsar than under communism.

 

[Lutherf]

Oh please. I'm so sick of hearing about how republicans just love the constitution. Reality is they love their idea of what the constitution means and screw anyone who disagrees.

If Democrats love the Constitution so much then why do they want to keep on changing it?

 

[Helix]

The grass is always greener on the other side. Healthcare in the UK shares a few similarities with the US; socioeconomic status determines the quality of care people receive.

Boy slept on hospital floor due to lack of beds - BBC News

Doctor can return to work after causing decapitation of baby in mother's womb, tribunal rules | The Independent

Where do Americans get their rosy opinion of British healthcare? Certainly not from firsthand experience.

i doubt that the British people would swap systems with us. if there's a British poster who thinks that he or she would like to, that should be a fun story time. even in that case, most of them wouldn't.

 

[soylentgreen]

Stalin's real home was hidden in a forest, because he didn't want Russians to know that his real home had 3 bedrooms just for him to use, servants, personal chefs, a vast wine cellar, and other luxuries. Greed wasn't eliminated in the USSR, but the hope of ever rising above one's socioeconomic status was. Life was better under the tsar than under communism.

For who? They just exchanged one group of elitists for another.

 

[truthatallcost]

For who? They just exchanged one group of elitists for another.

A well known Jewish writer of the day who refused the temptations of Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, and Communists wrote very clearly about life in tsarist Russia. His name was Isaac Babel, and he's not celebrated much these days, but I've read nearly all of his works. Babel much preferred life in tsarist Russia, so much so that he refused to support the communists once they came to power. Babel described tsarist Russia as a much more open society than the USSR was, where cities were multi-ethnic, and the art world flourished. Once the communists took over, they were especially brutal on Ukraine, where they killed several million people through famines. Babel was killed himself, after refusing to become a propaganda writer for the communists, as so many Russian writers had done to save their necks. If there's a man who should be celebrated from that time and place, its Babel, not Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, or Ilya Ehrenburg the Russian Goebbels.