The man teaching Bible class was teaching from James. He somehow got onto a tangent about the wars in the Middle East. He said that he doesn't think God would want us there because in scripture is says that vengeance is God's. He asked something like, "What do you think this country would be like if we'd just let God take care of it and not gone over there?"
He changed the subject soon after (back to the actual topic).
Do you think God wants us to sit back and let Him handle things like 9/11?
I think if we had, we would've been perceived as weak and they would've struck us again. I wonder how many dead Americans it would take for that teacher to agree that we need to get up and fight back?
The man teaching Bible class was teaching from James. He somehow got onto a tangent about the wars in the Middle East. He said that he doesn't think God would want us there because in scripture is says that vengeance is God's. He asked something like, "What do you think this country would be like if we'd just let God take care of it and not gone over there?"
He changed the subject soon after (back to the actual topic).
Do you think God wants us to sit back and let Him handle things like 9/11?
I think if we had, we would've been perceived as weak and they would've struck us again. I wonder how many dead Americans it would take for that teacher to agree that we need to get up and fight back?
do you think America is now safer from subsequent terroristic acts because we went to war in iraq/ME?
There are two wars in the Middle East.. only one was a direct response to 9/11 and that war wasn't controversial.
Now if you want to argue that we had to invade Iraq or fear being struck again for being weak.. then there is the debate. And no, we didn't have to invade Iraq for those reasons
Safer? Yes. Could it still happen? Yes.
When you let a thief who robbed your house know that you have absolutely no intentions of stopping him or anyone from taking anything from you again, why WOULDN'T he rob your house again and again and again? When you point your rifle at him and tell him if he comes back, he'll have a bullet in his head, he most likely ain't coming back.
Common sense. We have to defend ourselves.
since you recognize a subsequent terroristic act against us could still happen, then why do you also think we are safer because of the wars we started?
He was talking about both wars.
"Safer" doesn't mean we won't ever be attacked again. Our defenses could be down for any number of reasons.
Now....a question for you...
Do you believe we should've gone to war after 9/11? Do you believe the war in Afghanistan has made us safer? (try to leave Iraq out of it for a second.)
Didn't Christ say something about turning the other cheek? I think there is a lot in the Bible that would support non-violence and a lot that would support revenge. I guess it's a matter of faith and individual interpretation. I don't think showing strength or not is the problem. We were attacked on Sept 11th because of Palestine and Israel.The man teaching Bible class was teaching from James. He somehow got onto a tangent about the wars in the Middle East. He said that he doesn't think God would want us there because in scripture is says that vengeance is God's. He asked something like, "What do you think this country would be like if we'd just let God take care of it and not gone over there?"
He changed the subject soon after (back to the actual topic).
Do you think God wants us to sit back and let Him handle things like 9/11?
I think if we had, we would've been perceived as weak and they would've struck us again. I wonder how many dead Americans it would take for that teacher to agree that we need to get up and fight back?
Do you believe we should've gone to war after 9/11? Do you believe the war in Afghanistan has made us safer? (try to leave Iraq out of it for a second.)
hell no
we should have addressed the problem
losing 4000 American patriots and enormous national treasure in ill considered wars without a defined objective was a VERY stupid thing to undertake
but i look forward to your explaining why we should now be safer due to those wars even tho you acknowledge that another 9/11 is a very real possibility
Didn't Christ say something about turning the other cheek? I think there is a lot in the Bible that would support non-violence and a lot that would support revenge. I guess it's a matter of faith and individual interpretation. I don't think showing strength or not is the problem. We were attacked on Sept 11th because of Palestine and Israel.
That conflict is about realestate, not religion. It's a battle of territory. So, really after catching the people responsible, we should have focused on that issue. That's my take on it. I really don't think Iraq made us any safer, nor did it deal with any root problems. If anything it destabilized the region and allowed Afghanistan to fall by the wayside.
I think if we helped Israel and Palestine resolve their issue, terrorism attacks would drop world-wide. Iran would no longer have a scape-goat and the US would look heroic. That is the key, I think, to peace in the middle-east. At least, less violence as a result of genocidal war-fair.
Haven't we been trying for decades to help them resolve their issue? I believe the radical Muslims of the world will not stop terrorizing the U.S. until their flag flies over the White House.
"Radical" Muslims are a minority.Haven't we been trying for decades to help them resolve their issue? I believe the radical Muslims of the world will not stop terrorizing the U.S. until their flag flies over the White House.
"Radical" Muslims are a minority.
I'm talking about dealing with root problems to change views of the majority.
I think if we helped Israel and Palestine resolve their issue, terrorism attacks would drop world-wide.
I didn't say it would stop. Violence will never stop as long as human beings have free will.How would helping the majority deal with their problems stop the minority from what they're set on doing?
Safer? Yes. Could it still happen? Yes.
When you let a thief who robbed your house know that you have absolutely no intentions of stopping him or anyone from taking anything from you again, why WOULDN'T he rob your house again and again and again? When you point your rifle at him and tell him if he comes back, he'll have a bullet in his head, he most likely ain't coming back.
Common sense. We have to defend ourselves.
Matthew 5:
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’g 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborh and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemiesi and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Luke 6
27“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
I wonder how many dead Americans it would take for that teacher to agree that we need to get up and fight back?
I wonder how many dead Americans it would take for that teacher to agree that we need to get up and fight back?
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