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Columbia protest leader: ‘Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists’

Allan said:
So you can't condemn his call for the murder of Jews.
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I have never suggested murder is a solution to any problem.

Can you say anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism?
 
NWRatCon said:
But is it? PUT IT IN CONTEXT. Did anyone actually listen to the actual statements? In context, the statement was not nearly as violent as portrayed.
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Unfortunately, those opposing the demonstrations cannot be trusted.
 
Allan said:
It's more than political vitriol.

He made threats of physical harm that Jewish students would rightfully be concerned about.

In these days of school shootings this is a perfect opportunity to show some leadership in keeping students safe.
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Okay, now I've heard the comments in context. HE/SHE/THEY did not. This thread began with an inaccurate description of the statements.

One of the problems with any discussions on this topic is the absolutism and prejudgment that people bring into the discussion. People abandon objectivity and lean into emotionalism.
 
NWRatCon said:
But is it? PUT IT IN CONTEXT. Did anyone actually listen to the actual statements? In context, the statement was not nearly as violent as portrayed.
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His actual statements:

"Zionists don’t deserve to live,”
“Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

Those are extremely violent.
 
Allan said:
His actual statements:

"Zionists don’t deserve to live,”
“Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

Those are extremely violent.
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What they actually said was, "I'm responding to DMs where people who are calling me out to fight, and I said "I won't just fight, I'd fight to kill. I've never killed anyone, thank god." They were responding to threats.

I am urging everyone to get back to reality and not begin and end with prejudgment. (and still working my way through the thread.)
 
NWRatCon said:
What they actually said was, "I'm responding to DMs where people who are calling me out to fight, and I said "I won't just fight, I'd fight to kill. I've never killed anyone, thank god." They were responding to threats.

I am urging everyone to get back to reality and not begin and end with prejudgment. (and still working my way through the thread.)
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Allan said:
His actual statements:

"Zionists don’t deserve to live,”
“Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

Those are extremely violent.
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Allan said:
His actual statements:

"Zionists don’t deserve to live,”
“Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

Those are extremely violent.
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So, you are willing to denude the statements from context and present them as something they are not?

Let me ask this, sincerely: Do you detest Nazis?
 
Allan said:
They stand on their own.
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No, they don't. "I'd kill for a piece of chocolate." Does that stand on its own?

How about, "Some people just don't deserve to be on this earth" - "I'd kill them myself" when discussing the death penalty, or serial killers? Context doesn't matter?
 
Allan said:
It also clearly violates Columbia's policies. They have to lead with their chin on this one.
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Nothing like reaching a conclusion before the facts are in....
 
Cardinal said:
That reminds me a of a statistic I read in Mad Magazine: "100% of Americans are alcoholics. However, since the people citing this statistic are all alcoholics so you may want to take that with a grain of salt."
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This whole thread reminds me of Mad Magazine and 1984.
 
j brown's body said:
Why can't you condemn his killing of the 10% who aren't Jews?
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I'm not going to entertain your deflections.

You've been repeatedly given the opportunity to condemn James' calls for the deaths of millions of Jews based on his calculation that 90% of them are Zionists.

You've declined to condemn his words.

So let's just leave you hanging here, your silence indicates your position.
 
JANFU said:
If not expelled, it makes it clear that Jewish people on campus can be threatened and possibly attacked as well
This speech attacking Jews has become much more prevalent, and that was before the Gaza war
Recently, cannot find the article, a major US University hired a raging Antisemite to chair their diversity. Inclusion or something along those lines
Looked for the article, but could not find it, but demonstrates how some Universities have lost touch with morals
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Wonder if it actually existed...
 
Allan said:
I'm not going to entertain your deflections.

You've been repeatedly given the opportunity to condemn James' calls for the deaths of millions of Jews based on his calculation that 90% of them are Zionists.

You've declined to condemn his words.

So let's just leave you hanging here, your silence indicates your position.
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Funny how I'm deflecting by asking you to condemn the 10% but you're not deflecting by asking me to condemn the 90%, because I made a clarifying statement about anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism.

You condemn the 10% and I'll condemn the 90%. deal? :)
 
Pyrite said:
I want Israel to survive, to thrive. I don't want it to engage in the kind of barbarism it's been doing since October 7th. Barbarism that is known to be ineffective in getting rid of the terrorist group Hamas. I don't understand why the heck the Government of Israel's decisions to keep on slaughtering helpless and trapped Palestinians are acceptable to so many Americans.

That there are protests about this is to be expected. That people are standing up for the tens of thousands of Palestinians is also to be expected.

This isn't antisemitism. Nor is it threatening Israelis, American Jews, Canadian Jews, European Jews et al. It's standing up for decency. For treating human beings like they have the same rights you and I have.
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I agree. People forget that BDS was about Apartheid. It still is.
 
craig said:
I doubt it.
  1. a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
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Where did you get that definition from?
 
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