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Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

Don't most cities and states have laws about expenses not outweighing revenues? I can't even imagine if my city and state didn't have those laws.
Cities like ColoSprings can't run at a deficit because they don't have the authority to borrow money. Some states can, but its rare for cities other than bond issues for narrowly tailored purposes like buildings or roads.
 
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Where I live you can pay a monthly fee for garbage, by a private contracting company, or you can haul your own to the transfer station.

I choose to haul my own. It's really much simpler, you don't have to remember to put it out on the right day.
 

i thought colorado springs was a hotbed of conservative Christiandom - the evangelical vatican:
Day eight: Sunday morning in the 'evangelical Vatican' | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
i thought colorado springs was a hotbed of conservative Christiandom - the evangelical vatican:
Day eight: Sunday morning in the 'evangelical Vatican' | World news | guardian.co.uk
It is, but for the sake of government spending that's little different from libertarianism.

Colorado Springs is dominated by evangelicals and the military (five military installations nearby, including the Air Force Academy). Not exactly a bunch of liberals. If you want that, move down the road a bit to Boulder. Of liberals, they have more than their share.
 
They don't have the money, they don't have it. I think people would be more open to cuts than this, given the ever constant bitching about over spending by government entities. It's going to get worse before it gets better.. pity the fool that thought the economy hasn't yet bottomed out.. we're nowhere near bottom yet.

Let's see if after these cuts people will stand by their 'cut spending' mantra when asked at the polls if they'd support a raise in sales tax, property tax or any other taxation in order to help "fund" these things that have been taken away and vote NO. People tend to support something only when it doesn't inconvenience them, so we'll see.

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Colorado Springs is going to become a ghetto military town.

What exactly, is a "ghetto military town"?
 
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They're doing what hte government refuses to do - cutting costs because they cannot lean on others to bail them out.

Sucks but it's reality and the way things should go when you're out of cashola.

However, if they managed their money more wisely over hte years it wouldn't be necessary.
 


TABOR is a bad idea. It's about as useful as zero tolerance policies in schools. People are realizing that TABOR is bad policy. Good policy requires thinking and dynamism, not TABOR. It was on two ballots last November - Maine and Washington - and was defeated in both places.
 
Just finished reading the article .... damn, just damn.


That place IS in trouble. The kind of cuts they are talking about are going to lead to even fewer revenues down the road. Nobody shops in a scary, dangerous place with bad roads.


REALLY stupid.
 
manitou, that's the place to be.
 


Colorado Springs IS repubs policies in action. It is highly conservative, heavily republican:



"... El Paso County, in Colorado Springs, which is one of the most conservative communities in the nation. According to the El Paso County clerk's office on October 3, three days out from the close of voter registration, the county has 64,083 active Democrat, 82,245 active Unaffiliated and 131,249 active Republican voters. It's a given that the McCain-Palin ticket will take Colorado Springs and El Paso County. The question is by how much."

Mayhill Fowler: Colorado Springs: Ground Zero for Battleground Colorado
 
i thought colorado springs was a hotbed of conservative Christiandom - the evangelical vatican:
Day eight: Sunday morning in the 'evangelical Vatican' | World news | guardian.co.uk



So, it relies on 'government spending' aka military spending to support its tax base? What would happen to Colorado Springs if those military bases and the Air Force Academy closed, I wonder?
 
Unemployment in CO Springs is below the national average. They'd REALLY be in trouble if they were feeling the full brunt of this recession ...


Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas
Monthly Rankings
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Rank Metropolitan Area Rate


118 Colorado Springs, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area 7.9%

Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas
 
So, it relies on 'government spending' aka military spending to support its tax base? What would happen to Colorado Springs if those military bases and the Air Force Academy closed, I wonder?

if the public lands in the county now dedicated for military purposes were no longer exempt from ad valorem taxes as a result, the community coffers might be swelled
but probably not enough to offset the revenues lost to diminished sales taxes


and it would seem that a few of us have different views of libertarianism. evangelicals tend not to demonstrate the tolerant live and let live philosophy that i associate with libertarianism. which causes me not to perceive that place as a strong libertarian community

is TABOR that different that what has been handicapping california, where the public can vote for new government programs while simultaneously voting to prohibit the raising of taxes to fund the costs of those new programs
 



Re: TABOR, no it is not that different (altho, yes somewhat different). Prop (can't remember the number) from CA that limited property taxes is its philosophical godfather.
 

I was thinking the same thing earlier today actually. These policies are likely going to lead to increased crime and other problems which will drive people and businesses out of the city in the long run. Then, as you say, goodbye tax revenues. I'm all for fiscal conservatism, but one must do it responsibly, not in a mindless hack n' slash manner!
 
What is TABOR?

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Bill_of_Rights]Taxpayer Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Don't worry I didn't know either. Google is a God sent at times...
 
I think what we're seeing here is a tendency to believe that basic services like roads and police and parks are just sort of there--they take care of themselves. The connection between taxes and these kinds of services aren't real for lots of people, so they vote down taxes thinking they'll end up paying for welfare queens and over-priced political hacks. Sort of like when people say "keep government out of my Medicare!"
 
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