Upstart said:It is interesting to note that the persecution of Christianity is greater now than ever before.
Engimo said:Even more interesting is how entirely untrue this statement is!rof
easyt65 said:Perspective - all perspective.
For instance, it is the worst it has ever been HERE in the states, as we have never had in the past the political attack on Christianity that we have faced the last few years.
It all started when that woman began the 'No prayer In School' Scam. She began that to start a movement that would raise a lot of money - she never cared if it caught on or not. Shortly after it began and millions were raised 'for the coming battle', she skipped out with all the money. those with an actual agenda pushed forward and actually got the stupid thing passed. Side Note: the woman was later found murdered - she was killed by her accomplice who took the money for himself! Justice?!
That is about the time the Politically Correct movement and the anti-Christian Coalition used the momentum of this bogus start to keep on rolling.
The rise of the muslim Extremists spreading across the planet, beheading and bombing Christians and Non-Muslims in the name of a prophet who taught peace and love can be interpreted/seen in one's perspective as 'more than ever before'.
All I know is Christianity, not religeon, is under attack!
Engimo said:Even more interesting is how entirely untrue this statement is!rof
O really? Our Founding Fathers didn't seem to think so.128shot said:thats crap.
Religion should be out of school, out of gov. Secularism is what our society is principled on.
Islam is under more attack, under more twisting, and under more spin than any other religon on earth (its a long complex story..)
Upstart said:O really? Our Founding Fathers didn't seem to think so.
Upstart said:O really? Our Founding Fathers didn't seem to think so.
teenonfire4him77 said:Actually its based on CHristian principals...but then turned to Secularism
Your statement is completely faulty. For one thing, they asked God for guidance, their meetings were opened with prayer, and they quoted Scripture with their reasons for political actions.Engimo said:1. That's not true.
2. Who gives a ****?
We live in a society fundamentally different from the one that was around during the time of the founding fathers. Even if they wanted a religious nation (which is certainly not the case [Establishment Clause, anyone?]), that doesn't mean that it's the right thing to have now.
The Commandments are given to the followers of God. Not to a nation that is composed of many different religions.MrFungus420 said:Are you familiar with the Constitution? It is clearly secular. The guarantee of freedom of religion even goes directly against the 1st Comandment.
Upstart said:Your statement is completely faulty. For one thing, they asked God for guidance, their meetings were opened with prayer, and they quoted Scripture with their reasons for political actions.
And for your second statement, half the nation. Remember, the reason Bush was re-elected by a 54% was from all of the Christians coming out of the wood work.
Engimo said:Irrelevant. They knew that they had to separate their personal religious beliefs from the country's laws, which is why the Establishment Clause exists.
No, I'm saying that it doesn't matter what the founding fathers wanted the country to be like. This is the same group of people that allowed slavery, isn't it? Why do we treat them as if their intentions are omnipotently relevant?
Upstart said:The Commandments are given to the followers of God. Not to a nation that is composed of many different religions.
Upstart said:And to the popular statement:"Don't impose your morals on me!", I say this, "Don't impose your immorals on me!"
The biggest abolitionists were Christians.Engimo said:Irrelevant. They knew that they had to separate their personal religious beliefs from the country's laws, which is why the Establishment Clause exists.
No, I'm saying that it doesn't matter what the founding fathers wanted the country to be like. This is the same group of people that allowed slavery, isn't it? Why do we treat them as if their intentions are omnipotently relevant?
Have you ever seen what happens when a perfectly good Christian home sends a perfectly good kid to the public school? Pretty soon, you can't tell the kid from any other in that school.MrFungus420 said:Absolutely irrelevent. I was making a comment in response to a claim that our country was based on Christian principles.
Tell me, how would someone impose their "immorals" on you?
Some of the things that I'm in favour of with which you may disagree: legalizing drugs, legalizing prostitution, giving gays equal rights and a woman's choice in the matter of abortion. Now, in all of these cases, if my opinion on them were law, it would not be imposing anything on you, you would still have the choice to live as you choose. Now, if we assume that you are opposed to all of those things, and your opinions on them are law, then you are the one making the imposition on others. The difference is in giving people a choice versus forcing them to follow your rules.
Tell me, how would someone impose their "immorals" on you?
Are Islamists very much persecuted as well?Lantzolot said:Actually Engimo, Christians are very much persecuted! Here is a link to a post within this forum that demonstrates that!
http://debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=8099
i believe in tranquility said:hmmm...lets see here. Early 1500's: Spanish Conquest on there concept of the "New" World. If you did not convert to Catholicism, you were put to death. Basically, you have to except and follow our lifestyle, or you die.
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