CO2 is not a pollutant.

[Renae]

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not pollution and Global Warming has nothing to do with pollution. The average person has been misled and is confused about what the current Global Warming debate is about, greenhouse gases. None of which has anything to do with air pollution. People are confusing Smog, Carbon Monoxide (CO) and the pollutants in car exhaust with the life supporting, essential trace gas in our atmosphere, Carbon Dioxide (CO2). Pollution is already regulated under the Clean Air Act and regulating Carbon Dioxide (CO2) will do absolutely nothing to make the air you breath "cleaner". Regulating Carbon Dioxide (CO2) through either 'Carbon Taxes' or 'Cap and Trade' policies will simply make energy (electricity, gasoline, diesel fuel, propane, heating oil ect...) much more expensive and severely cripple the economy.

Popular Technology.net: Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality." - Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT

(Same source)

Gee, regulating CO2 would be a wet dream for bureaucrats looking to control how people act? Tell me it ain't so! You'd think people would be worried about handing over personal liberty and freedom on such a scale to the government...

But alas, the number of people willing to be subjected to the powers of the state for a cause so flimsy is ASTOUNDING.

 

[Frank Talk]

Oh, it's a blog.

 

[Middleground]

A normal dose of vitamin D is healthy for the body. An excessive amount of it would prove toxic. See what I'm saying?

 

[Renae]

Oh, it's a blog.

ah, a blog.. thus ignorable. Silly me, stupid me, forget anything in it, it's "a blog".

Is that all you can muster sir?

 

[UtahBill]

A normal dose of vitamin D is healthy for the body. An excessive amount of it would prove toxic. See what I'm saying?

Good point, and here is a way to determine if too much CO2 is bad for you. Pour soda pop from a 12 ounce can into a 32 ounce cup, and then immediately stick your nose in the cup and try to breathe.:lol:

 

[Renae]

Obviosuly the pertiant point is missed, another case of "I read the title and now I speak" instead of reading the point of the thread.

I suppose that passes for debate for some.

 

[Middleground]

Obviosuly the pertiant point is missed, another case of "I read the title and now I speak" instead of reading the point of the thread.

I suppose that passes for debate for some.

Do you not understand, Mr Vicchio? The problem is not CO2, it's too much CO2.

 

[Middleground]

Good point, and here is a way to determine if too much CO2 is bad for you. Pour soda pop from a 12 ounce can into a 32 ounce cup, and then immediately stick your nose in the cup and try to breathe.:lol:

Are you serious? Have you tried this? :lol:

 

[bub]

Popular Technology.net: Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
(Same source)

Gee, regulating CO2 would be a wet dream for bureaucrats looking to control how people act? Tell me it ain't so! You'd think people would be worried about handing over personal liberty and freedom on such a scale to the government...

But alas, the number of people willing to be subjected to the powers of the state for a cause so flimsy is ASTOUNDING.

EPIC FAIL​

TOXICITY (...) Due to the health risks associated with carbon dioxide exposure, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration says that average exposure for healthy adults during an eight-hour work day should not exceed 5,000 ppm (0.5%).

(...)

Acute carbon dioxide toxicity is sometimes known by the names given to it by miners: blackdamp (also called choke damp or stythe). Miners would try to alert themselves to dangerous levels of carbon dioxide in a mine shaft by bringing a caged canary with them as they worked. The canary would inevitably die before CO2 reached levels toxic to people

Carbon dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Carbon dioxide forms approximately 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere. It is essential to photosynthesis in plants and other photoautotrophs, and is also a prominent greenhouse gas due to its radiative forcing strength.

Carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MachuPicchu]

Popular Technology.net: Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
(Same source)

Are you trying to redefine your way out of a problem?

Gee, regulating CO2 would be a wet dream for bureaucrats looking to control how people act? Tell me it ain't so! You'd think people would be worried about handing over personal liberty and freedom on such a scale to the government...

But alas, the number of people willing to be subjected to the powers of the state for a cause so flimsy is ASTOUNDING.

Yeah, because that's all us liberals want to do. Strip freedoms and controls your life :roll:

Seriously, what benefit do you see the left gaining from promoting this cause? Is it a conspiracy by big science (*snicker*) to get more funding? Or do you think the left wants to destroy the markets?

 

[Renae]

Do you not understand, Mr Vicchio? The problem is not CO2, it's too much CO2.

That's not the issue at the point of this debate. The issue is declaring CO2 a pollutant and the accompanying power that would give government.

 

[Renae]

Are you trying to redefine your way out of a problem?

Yeah, because that's all us liberals want to do. Strip freedoms and controls your life :roll:

Seriously, what benefit do you see the left gaining from promoting this cause? Is it a conspiracy by big science (*snicker*) to get more funding? Or do you think the left wants to destroy the markets?

No, the left believes they know how to dictate how people should live. It's a power game that goes far beyond such trivial matters as funding.

Do you not see that?

Also, there is no such thing as AGW, that's just poppy **** to scare the gullible into doing the bidding of government.

 

[bub]

No, the left believes they know how to dictate how people should live. It's a power game that goes far beyond such trivial matters as funding.

Do you not see that?

Also, there is no such thing as AGW, that's just poppy **** to scare the gullible into doing the bidding of government.

Saddam's WMD anyone?

 

[Renae]

Saddam's WMD anyone?

I think Bush allowed that fear to cloud his judgment, but most of the worlds intel services were pretty sure he had em. So Bush acted rightly on bad intel...

You support knowingly doing the same on a global scale.

 

[UtahBill]

Are you serious? Have you tried this? :lol:

yes, trust me, as soon as you start to inhale, you will stop...:lol:

 

[MachuPicchu]

No, the left believes they know how to dictate how people should live. It's a power game that goes far beyond such trivial matters as funding.

:roll: Explain how this would affect your daily life.

Do you not see that?

I sure don't. I think you're in the minority here, bud.:2wave:

Also, there is no such thing as AGW, that's just poppy **** to scare the gullible into doing the bidding of government.

Yeah? And did our government stage the moon landing?

Again, you have failed to demonstrate any motive as to what ends the government hopes to achieve from this "plot". What is this bidding the government hopes to have us do? What's in it for them? Furthermore, it is scientists and major science institutions across the world that are pushing this; the government is only responding to that element of their constituency.

I know it makes you feel better to cry foul whenever the big bad liberals try to help, but your tinfoil hat seems to be clouding some of your vision.

 

[Renae]

:roll: Explain how this would affect your daily life.

Gee... Higher cost of living? Lets start there. Obama's made it clear his ecological policies are gonna send electricity prices through the roof.

Deny he has said this, and that it wont effect me.

 

[UtahBill]

Gee... Higher cost of living? Lets start there. Obama's made it clear his ecological policies are gonna send electricity prices through the roof.

Deny he has said this, and that it wont effect me.

His policies have to get thru congress first, and I doubt even the democrats will do anything that makes current economic conditions worse...

 

[Renae]

His policies have to get thru congress first, and I doubt even the democrats will do anything that makes current economic conditions worse...

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

Yeah, the same folks that brought us the "sub-prime" market fiasco, and are behind the mess at Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac... you trust them to do the right thing?

You forget! They will do it "for the children"

 

[UtahBill]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

Yeah, the same folks that brought us the "sub-prime" market fiasco, and are behind the mess at Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac... you trust them to do the right thing?

You forget! They will do it "for the children"

Yes, the subprime mess started with the democrats. I agree.
Now tell us that the GOP had nothing to do with making it worse....
sarcasm alert....
Oh, lets not regulate business, that is bad for the market...the market being the wall st. financiers who bribe politicians to keep evil regulation away.

 

[Renae]

Ic ant' argue they could hae done more, but seriously.. you trust the liberals, the party of green power...

will do the right thing for the economy over the enviroment? When that "one" said he WILL break the coal industry and his policies WILL cause electic bills to skyrocket?

Seriously, that's like trusting the fox to guard the hen house.

 

[bub]

Gee... Higher cost of living? Lets start there. Obama's made it clear his ecological policies are gonna send electricity prices through the roof.

Deny he has said this, and that it wont effect me.

Are you joking?

Of course electricity prices should be increased. Same for gas, water...these are scarce ressources, and you waste a lot of them (if everybody consumed as much as an American, we'd need 9 planets; if everybody consumed as much as a Brit, we'd need 4 planets)

The only way to make you stop using (and wasting) so much non renewable sources and polluting so much is to increase their price. Then you'll start caring about the planet.

 

[Renae]

Are you joking?

Of course electricity prices should be increased. Same for gas, water...these are scarce ressources, and you waste a lot of them (if everybody consumed as much as an American, we'd need 9 planets; if everybody consumed as much as a Brit, we'd need 4 planets)

The only way to make you stop using (and wasting) so much non renewable sources and polluting so much is to increase their price. Then you'll start caring about the planet.

Yeah, so resource jealousy and elitism are your defense for wanting to see me pay more for what God granted America...

No. Sorry bud, I like my 1.60 gallon of gas, my 68 dollar electric bill and my 2.50 a month water bills.

 

[bub]

Yeah, so resource jealousy and elitism are your defense for wanting to see me pay more for what God granted America...

No. Sorry bud, I like my 1.60 gallon of gas, my 68 dollar electric bill and my 2.50 a month water bills.

God did not grant America the right to pollute so much (even though Schwarzie makes a lot of efforts)

I hope Obama will sign Kyoto

 

[UtahBill]

Are you joking?

Of course electricity prices should be increased. Same for gas, water...these are scarce ressources, and you waste a lot of them (if everybody consumed as much as an American, we'd need 9 planets; if everybody consumed as much as a Brit, we'd need 4 planets)

The only way to make you stop using (and wasting) so much non renewable sources and polluting so much is to increase their price. Then you'll start caring about the planet.

True, and so far we have only been frightened a little on fuel prices. I have been an advocate of conservation for decades, but find very few others who share my views. MY house is more energy efficient than smaller houses around me, but those houses are old, ours is the only new house in an older area and it is only about half again larger. Just up the hill are all new "modern" houses built to be more energy efficient to a degree, but they only go so far and then quit. How can you call them energy efficient if the houses are huge and need 3 air conditioning units of 4 or 5 tons each because they wanted the view to the west and have lots of west facing windows? We get by on less than half the AC load projected by the contractor, because he didn't take into consideration that the house was designed to need minimal AC...
I live in Logan, Utah, 4500 ft. elevation, dry climate, and for the longest time people just didn't use AC at all. Evap coolers was enough, but those requrie a little prep, or homeowner effort, before and after the summer season. Basically, the air conditioner is a response to laziness.
Americans WILL get used to paying more for energy, eventually, like it or not...