CNN pushes disgusting narrative that "Free Palestine" = 'Murderous Antisemitism'

[Dans La Lune]

I'm not surprised. Even in the killer's manifesto, he doesn't mention Jews. CNN knows what it's doing.

 

[medi]

Let me try this with some balance, because it seems many trust NPR.

Then the AJC should be able to explain quite well what that term "intifada" might mean to many people.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/04/nx-s1-4958278/intifada-chants-pro-palestinian-protests-israel

What Does “Globalize the Intifada” Mean and How Can it Lead to Targeting Jews with Violence?

What does “Globalize the Intifada” mean, how is it tied to past Palestinian activist violence against Israel, and how can it lead to targeting Jews today?

www.ajc.org

 

[Dans La Lune]

Let me try this with some balance, because it seems many trust NPR.

Then the AJC should be able to explain quite well what that term "intifada" might mean to many people.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/04/nx-s1-4958278/intifada-chants-pro-palestinian-protests-israel

What Does “Globalize the Intifada” Mean and How Can it Lead to Targeting Jews with Violence?

What does “Globalize the Intifada” mean, how is it tied to past Palestinian activist violence against Israel, and how can it lead to targeting Jews today?

www.ajc.org

Intifada means struggle, resistance, uprising. Rebellion against oppression. How many other words can we turn into oppression against Israelis, who are engaged in both a genocide, ethnic cleansing and occupying of an entire population with the backing of the world's #1 superpower.

BDS, Intifada, From River to the Sea, Free Palestine, Stop Genocide, are all considered antisemitic.

What words or terms are acceptable for legitimate Palestinian resistance? That's a question.

 

[Roadvirus]

I'm not surprised. Even in the killer's manifesto, he doesn't mention Jews. CNN knows what it's doing.

Hard not to think "anti-Semitism" when you yell "Free Palestine!" after shooting Jews.

 

[Mr Person]

"Free Palastine, from the river to the sea" has always meant "destroy Israel, get rid of the Jews" in the overwhelming majority of uses. (Likud, I believe, briefly co-opted it in the late 70s and aimed it in the other direction****).

That some naive college kids adopted it without paying attention because they wanted to take a rigid strong moral stance without worry about the details doesn't change that. Maybe they should pay attention to those details before taking a rigid black n' white stance and/or before adopting slogans without knowing how they're historically meant.

It's not in the least bit shocking that some people who join in chanting the phrase actually mean what it really means and acting on it, not what the naive college kids blindly assumed it meant.

Then again, given what I've seen with Israel & the views of various people on the left, I will not be surprised to see the concerns about stochastic terrorism in MAGA statements about vulnerable groups or Democrat targets get completely ignored when it comes to stochastic terrorism inherent in blindly chanting slogans that stand for destroying Israel and getting rid of the Jews.



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"In 1977, the concept appeared in an election manifesto of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that "between the sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty".

From the river to the sea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(Statement has two citations embedded in there. 1977 Likud platform, and some book)

Every other time it was used, it meant to get rid of Israel and the Jews, and have only Palestine.

Intifada means struggle, resistance, uprising. Rebellion against oppression.

See, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He either has no idea how it is used because, having embraced a rigidly one-sided view to prop up his extremist positions on Israel, he sees no need to worry about reality on the groun.....or he's trying to rewrite the meaning of the word

The way "infitada" has been used over there by Hamas and similar groups, it means kill the Jews and destroy Israel, not some vague sanewashed concept of "struggle." They're not talking about voting or protesting or anything like that.

The "resistance" in "infatada" in the context of Israel means genocide against the Jews. And indeed, historically, each "infitada" in that region refers to a period of widespread terrorism against Israeli Jews.


So which is it, oh ye of extermist posting history? Do you not know what the term means or are you trying to sanewash it for some other purpose?

 

[Gardener]

Yes, let's work for Hamas and try to claim you have nothing against Jews.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Hard not to think "anti-Semitism" when you yell "Free Palestine!" after shooting Jews.

If you're baby-brained and can't hold nuanced ideas in your head. The killer's manifesto is quite clear and didn't mention Jews. If you're committing vigilante violence against Israeli Zionist who happen to be Jewish, then yes you're going to kill Jews. However, this was political terrorism, not a hate crime directed at Jews. Either words have meaning or they don't.

 

[Dans La Lune]

"Free Palastine, from the river to the sea" has always meant "destroy Israel, get rid of the Jews" in the overwhelming majority of uses. (Likud, I believe, briefly co-opted it in the late 70s and aimed it in the other direction****).

Shouldn't you have some humility on this issue by now? Especially now? The mental gymnastics required to get to 'Death To Jews' requires interpreting Palestinian liberation and a One State Democratic Solution as a call for violence, because Palestinians would gain a majority and kill all the Jews. It's an inherently racist / bigoted line of reasoning, and is not borne out by history.

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Early Usage​

• Zionist Origins: According to American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase "From the River to the Sea" began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel. Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Vladimir Jabotinsky. This movement spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine and had a song with the slogan: "The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too," suggesting a Jewish state extending even beyond the Jordan River.26

Palestinian Adoption​

• Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): In the 1960s, the phrase was adopted by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to call for a "decolonized" state encompassing the entirety of Mandatory Palestine. The 1964 charter of the PLO's Palestinian National Council called for "the recovery of the usurped homeland in its entirety" and defined "Palestinian" as those who had "normally resided in Palestine until 1947".26
• 1968 Revision: In the 1968 revision of the charter, the PLO further defined "Palestinian" as those who had resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion. By 1969, the PLO used the phrase to call for a single democratic secular state that would replace Israel.617

Israeli Usage​

• Likud Party: In 1977, the concept appeared in an election manifesto of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." This usage reflects the Israeli right-wing's vision of a unified state encompassing the entire territory.
  

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  Pro-Palestinian Perspective​

  • Liberation and Unity: For many Palestinians, the phrase "From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free" is a call for the liberation of all Palestinian territories and the establishment of a single, democratic state where both Palestinians and Israelis can live together in equality. It is seen as a principled vision of freedom and coexistence, emphasizing the indivisibility of the Palestinian homeland.1713
  • Historical Context: The phrase gained traction in the 1960s as part of a broader call for Palestinian liberation, aiming to free Palestinians from Israeli occupation and the control of other Arab regimes such as Jordan and Egypt.

• Summary Table​

  Aspect	Details
  Geographical Reference	The area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, historically known as Palestine.
  Zionist Origins	Used by the Revisionist movement of Zionism to signify the boundaries of Eretz Israel, predating the establishment of Israel in 1948.
  Palestinian Adoption	Adopted by the PLO in the 1960s to call for a "decolonized" state encompassing Mandatory Palestine.
  Israeli Usage	Appeared in the 1977 Likud Party manifesto, advocating for Israeli sovereignty over the entire territory.
  Pro-Palestinian Perspective	Seen as a call for liberation and the establishment of a single, democratic state where Palestinians and Israelis can coexist.
  Pro-Israel Perspective	Interpreted as a call for the elimination of Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
  Recent Usage	Prevalent in protests and social media, leading to political reactions and debates.
  Academic Views	Scholars note the diverse interpretations and the need for a nuanced understanding.