CNN, MSNBC and Mainstream Media Fail Journalism 101

[renee]

We see time and time again the lies of CNN and mainstream media.

You’re right fox is so fair and balanced ha ha

 

[renee]

You stated a conclusion with zero support. You could learn how an argument works. Now provide the evidence for your claim. I could provide you a book half-filled with lies from Israel (Worse than Hamas) and the other half filled it turns out with accurate statements from Hamas. Turns out Israel (worse than Hamas) intelligence rely on Hamas data for their own analysis.

Is Hamas totally accurate?

I don't think so. The example that comes to mind, is that there was a credible account of a released hostage who reported some sexual abuse after weeks in captivity. I don't expect Hamas to be honest and admit that. I think while they seem to be doing pretty well with hostages while being bombed and starved, I suspect they are overstating how well they're treated.

But their flaws are a drop in the bucket compared to Israel (Worse than Hamas), whose lies are so huge it's hard to do them justice in a description. Even trying to pick a few examples, you pick a few, then a top ten, then a top 20 then say 'forget it'.

Can you give me an answer of what Israel should have done after being attacked and killed at a festival?

 

[Buckeyes85]

You stated a conclusion with zero support. You could learn how an argument works. Now provide the evidence for your claim. I could provide you a book half-filled with lies from Israel (Worse than Hamas) and the other half filled it turns out with accurate statements from Hamas. Turns out Israel (worse than Hamas) intelligence rely on Hamas data for their own analysis.

Is Hamas totally accurate?

I don't think so. The example that comes to mind, is that there was a credible account of a released hostage who reported some sexual abuse after weeks in captivity. I don't expect Hamas to be honest and admit that. I think while they seem to be doing pretty well with hostages while being bombed and starved, I suspect they are overstating how well they're treated.

But their flaws are a drop in the bucket compared to Israel (Worse than Hamas), whose lies are so huge it's hard to do them justice in a description. Even trying to pick a few examples, you pick a few, then a top ten, then a top 20 then say 'forget it'.

Thank you for your patronizing response.
I believe I have a pretty good handle on the contents of an argument.
I stated my position/opinion. I did not attempt, nor feel the need to provide a laundry list of reasons that I hold that opinion, nor did I attempt to sway anyone else with my statement.

So I will insert the qualifier: In my subjective opinion, one that I am not going to buttress with a litany of claimed facts, I believe Hamas to be a terrorist group, or at a minimum, supportive of terrorism, and a less credible source of information than Israel- in general.

 

[Paradoxical]

You’re right fox is so fair and balanced ha ha

So that is an excuse for the daily lies of CNN?

 

[Craig234]

Thank you for your patronizing response.
I believe I have a pretty good handle on the contents of an argument.
I stated my position/opinion. I did not attempt, nor feel the need to provide a laundry list of reasons that I hold that opinion, nor did I attempt to sway anyone else with my statement.

So I will insert the qualifier: In my subjective opinion, one that I am not going to buttress with a litany of claimed facts, I believe Hamas to be a terrorist group, or at a minimum, supportive of terrorism, and a less credible source of information than Israel- in general.

That's better, but a problem with it is that you appear to have no interest in the truth. Whether your opinion is correct. It appears very gullible to 'terrorist' propaganda, everything the other side does is a terrorist doing terrorism, and nothing the side you like does is terrorism, and that's all you need to know. Facts don't matter.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I think one loses the moral argument when you diminish the execution of Israelis. I guess it’s different when Israelis are raped and killed.

There's no evidence of one of those claims.

Remember all those school buses and marketplaces that were blown up in Israel? People didn’t get upset because after all they were Jews and let’s stop pretending that they are “only Israelis “and not Jews.

You can be Israeli and a Jew, but Israel doesn't represent Jewish identity. But if you WANT to discriminate against all Jews, then equate their identity and allegiance to Israel and make them all complicit in genocide. That seems like antisemitism to me, and it's very ugly.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Can you give me an answer of what Israel should have done after being attacked and killed at a festival?

Not commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and collective punishment, which are war crimes. Not raid Palestinian homes and mock them as the IDF loots them and rifles through their private items. Not create Snuff channels for their own sadistic amusement. Not intentionally create a mass famine, bringing the population to the verge of death through sheer lack of nutrition. Not hog tie them, execute them and dump their bodies in mass graves. Not sniper children and doctors, target journalists and humanitarian aid workers...

...not strip detainees naked and humiliate them. Not violate women and girls with sexual abuse and the threat of sexual violence.

Oh, by the way, under international law, if you are occupying a people, you do not have the right to claim self-defense, since you are the aggressor. And if you create the conditions that lead to violent resistance, perhaps you should work to change those conditions, not ramp them up to the Nth degree. If you continue to offer Palestinians no hope (everyone living there was born into occupation), they will VIOLENTLY resist because all other avenues of resistance have been utterly crushed by state oppression and international manipulations of their allies (US, Britain, Germany).

You can condemn violence against innocent people without condemning the very fundamentals of human nature, which allow for violent resistance as a means of self-defense. Imagine if right-wingers in America, who cannot tolerate masks or vaccines without threatening Civil War 2.0, were subject to the conditions of the Palestinians for a single day.

 

[Paradoxical]

Not commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and collective punishment, which are war crimes. Not raid Palestinian homes and mock them as the IDF loots them and rifles through their private items. Not create Snuff channels for their own sadistic amusement. Not intentionally create a mass famine, bringing the population to the verge of death through sheer lack of nutrition. Not hog tie them, execute them and dump their bodies in mass graves. Not sniper children and doctors, target journalists and humanitarian aid workers...

...not strip detainees naked and humiliate them. Not violate women and girls with sexual abuse and the threat of sexual violence.

Oh, by the way, under international law, if you are occupying a people, you do not have the right to claim self-defense, since you are the aggressor. And if you create the conditions that lead to violent resistance, perhaps you should work to change those conditions, not ramp them up to the Nth degree. If you continue to offer Palestinians no hope (everyone living there was born into occupation), they will VIOLENTLY resist because all other avenues of resistance have been utterly crushed by state oppression and international manipulations of their allies (US, Britain, Germany).

You can condemn violence against innocent people without condemning the very fundamentals of human nature, which allow for violent resistance as a means of self-defense. Imagine if right-wingers in America, who cannot tolerate masks or vaccines without threatening Civil War 2.0, were subject to the conditions of the Palestinians for a single day.

Those are claims. Most likely from the UN or AOC

 

[Dans La Lune]

Those are claims. Most likely from the UN or AOC

IDF has admitted some of it, and they regularly brag about war crimes on social media, with impunity. And if you search YouTube for IDF war crimes... unfortunately many of them pre-date October 7th. Hence the issue.

 

[Paradoxical]

IDF has admitted some of it, and they regularly brag about war crimes on social media, with impunity. And if you search YouTube for IDF war crimes... unfortunately many of them pre-date October 7th. Hence the issue.

I don't do videos.

 

[renee]

lol, nothing in my post was an attack on you

You implied that I know what Israel should have done.

Not commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and collective punishment, which are war crimes. Not raid Palestinian homes and mock them as the IDF loots them and rifles through their private items. Not create Snuff channels for their own sadistic amusement. Not intentionally create a mass famine, bringing the population to the verge of death through sheer lack of nutrition. Not hog tie them, execute them and dump their bodies in mass graves. Not sniper children and doctors, target journalists and humanitarian aid workers...

...not strip detainees naked and humiliate them. Not violate women and girls with sexual abuse and the threat of sexual violence.

Oh, by the way, under international law, if you are occupying a people, you do not have the right to claim self-defense, since you are the aggressor. And if you create the conditions that lead to violent resistance, perhaps you should work to change those conditions, not ramp them up to the Nth degree. If you continue to offer Palestinians no hope (everyone living there was born into occupation), they will VIOLENTLY resist because all other avenues of resistance have been utterly crushed by state oppression and international manipulations of their allies (US, Britain, Germany).

You can condemn violence against innocent people without condemning the very fundamentals of human nature, which allow for violent resistance as a means of self-defense. Imagine if right-wingers in America, who cannot tolerate masks or vaccines without threatening Civil War 2.0, were subject to the conditions of the Palestinians for a single day.

but it is OK for Hamas to commit genocide, kill Israelis take innocent hostages and hog tie them and execute them etc …everything you are saying Hamas started and continued by Hamas..
I didn’t realize that Israel started this. But once again you did not offer a solution. I will ask you again. What should Israel have done?
When have I ever condemned violence against innocent people? You are the one who is not condemning violence against Israelis. where is your anger at Hamas not providing their people with protection and using them as shields? But you are proof that it worked.

 

[renee]

There's no evidence of one of those claims.



You can be Israeli and a Jew, but Israel doesn't represent Jewish identity. But if you WANT to discriminate against all Jews, then equate their identity and allegiance to Israel and make them all complicit in genocide. That seems like antisemitism to me, and it's very ugly.

What is very ugly is how many Americans see Jews as enemies… you are obviously not Jewish and see the world through different eyes

 

[renee]

So that is an excuse for the daily lies of CNN?

Well, at least MSNBC has the courage to not pretend it is “fair and balanced” like Fox does.

 

[Paradoxical]

Well, at least MSNBC has the courage to not pretend it is “fair and balanced” like Fox does.

You don't know this but Fox is now a woke organization. The females have taken over and they have fully embraced the corporate DEI responsibility act which is monitored by shakedown artists in the genre of Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the current race baiters. This is why they got rid of Bongino and Tucker. Other than Hannity, Laura and Waters, they are a mediocre station now.

 

[renee]

You don't know this but Fox is now a woke organization. The females have taken over and they have fully embraced the corporate DEI responsibility act which is monitored by shakedown artists in the genre of Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the current race baiters. This is why they got rid of Bongino and Tucker. Other than Hannity, Laura and Waters, they are a mediocre station now.

Fox is woke?

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

Call me Islamophobic all you want. I think the massacre, torture, rape and chopping off the heads of females afterwards?

Oh, WAIT! I forgot. Islam is a religion of peace. My bad. The Islamists have made sure that any criticism of them is banned everywhere. Even here in the United States where Google and Yahoo and Yahoo will take it down. Isn't that Kinda the same thing Catholics did when they killed people for blasphemy. Religion is sacrosanct. They use government to ward off any critique of their beliefs or actions.

Islam is in fact a religion of peace in it's purest sense. That some Muslims don't follow the Quran as intended is quite similar to some Christians that bastardize the Bible over the past centuries. You obviously don't know a thing about the teachings of Q'uran.

 

[Paradoxical]

Fox is woke?

Yes. Please do some research other than from The View.

 

[Paradoxical]

Islam is in fact a religion of peace in it's purest sense. That some Muslims don't follow the Quran as intended is quite similar to some Christians that bastardize the Bible over the past centuries. You obviously don't know a thing about the teachings of Q'uran.

I know there are apologists on Islam just as there are in Christianity. Tell me again the role of women in Islam.

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

I know there are apologists on Islam just as there are in Christianity. Tell me again the role of women in Islam.

Obviously you are extremely ignorant in regards to Islam.

 

[renee]

Yes. Please do some research other than from The View.

When you stop reading the national Enquirer

 

[Paradoxical]

Obviously you are extremely ignorant in regards to Islam.

Your invaluable in-depth treatise on the virtues of Islam and why women need to be subjugated with veils and infidels should be killed is enlightening. Thanks so much.

 

[Paradoxical]

When you stop reading the national Enquirer

You mean the same magazine that the prosecution of Trump is using the former part owner of as its first witness, who admitted that any payments by Trump had nothing to do with the election?

 

[renee]

You mean the same magazine that the prosecution of Trump is using the former part owner of as its first witness, who admitted that any payments by Trump had nothing to do with the election?

Oh, does Trump know his base. Why do you think he wanted that story squelched? You actually believe it had nothing to do with the election. But you are right because it wouldn’t matter anyway, after hearing him bragging about grabbing women by the genitals the uneducated still voted for him…., shows the Intelligence of the right wing

 

[Paradoxical]

Oh, does Trump know his base. Why do you think he wanted that story squelched? You actually believe it had nothing to do with the election. But you are right because it wouldn’t matter anyway, after hearing him bragging about grabbing women by the genitals the uneducated still voted for him…., shows the Intelligence of the right wing

IF he wanted it squelched it was because he was the star of a number one show called The Apprentice.

I hope this helps.