Yes, I noted that he won 49.9%. Although this is totally irrelevant,.Trump did not win the majority of those who voted, his popular vote total is under 50%.
In 2022, the hyped pre-election Red Wave spin collapsed after Bidren experienced the slimmest first term mideleaction losses in Congress in more than 50 years.
We can always count on you to counter without links.Yeah cause North Carolina is the ONLY place that engages in "gerry mandering".
I am sure no democrat run states did this, right? /s
I think that definition is too loose. It seems silly that America would have opposing mandates every 4 - 8 years when people are largely voting for the least bad candidate.By that definition there will never be a "mandate".
I agree with @Luce the candidate who won has the "mandate" such as it is....
This definition is tricky because it would require you to acknowledge that Biden had the "mandate" in the previous cycle and that is a difficult thing for a MAGA to admit to. That said, you can always do the he-really-didn't-because-he-stole-the-election thing to get out of that jam.By that definition there will never be a "mandate".
I agree with @Luce the candidate who won has the "mandate" such as it is....
It's not voter fraud if it's allowed by state law.
So...in your day, did you try to get people to cure their faulty votes? Did you target voters from a particular party?
That seems to be what was done in CA.
I'm just here for the froth.
Thread delivers.
GOPs didn’t have a problem with late counting in California when Democrats lost 7 total seats
in 2020 and 2022 while Repubs gained 6 back, with one lost due to reapportionment.️
Fair. But if one claims that it is not a mandate, one would have to also define the concept.
I do get your point. It is a rhetorical issue, regardless of whether there is a so-called "mandate" that person won by the rules of our system. If defined by electoral votes, which is how we elect the president, winning 312 to 226 is a fairly large margin, especially compared to recent history.
To be even more clear, the majority of those who voted (50.1% to 49.9%) not the majority of the eligible voters.
I would say priorities. The word mandate implies mass popular backing.
You need to bring evidence of the fraud you're implying, dear sir.
Were all the votes counted or did they stop when they got the answer they wanted. That is why I like the polls. All votes are counted in real time by We the People. Mistakes are fixed in real time by We the People. The results of the election are posted on the door for all to see when We the People leave that night. No finding and fixing ballots for a month until the people counting get the results they want.
If the House were reversed, GOPs would enjoy the next two years watching Democrats herd cats.This definition is tricky because it would require you to acknowledge that Biden had the "mandate" in the previous cycle and that is a difficult thing for a MAGA to admit to. That said, you can always do the he-really-didn't-because-he-stole-the-election thing to get out of that jam.
It's the gerrymandered districts that count.Time is irrelevant. It's the votes that count.
Not really. I was stating my own opinion. You can take it or leave it.
Meanwhile, I will stand by it.
P.S.: This response applies to ALL members of the Forum, who are welcome to their own opinions on the subject.
It's the gerrymandered districts that count.
Why is it that California is 40% red, but the GOP only has 23% of the seats there (40-12)? I know, independent redistricting commission. Just a sheer coincidence that they drew districts that overrepresent the Dems by about 10-12 seats.
They've been applying the strategy of lying repeatedly until enough people believe them, and it got Trump elected.(CNN) Democrats’ flip in California concludes final unresolved US House race
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With the final federal election tally in, it appears Republicans actually lost seats in the People's House.
With Trump not even getting half the popular vote, only 1-1/2 pts over Harris, and only besting his losing 2020 performance by a bit over 3%, I'm at an absolute loss to understand the vociferous claims of a "mandate".
How can there be a mandate, when the majority of the electorate voted against the candidate?
Oh well . . .
Rigged election!(CNN) Democrats’ flip in California concludes final unresolved US House race
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With the final federal election tally in, it appears Republicans actually lost seats in the People's House.
With Trump not even getting half the popular vote, only 1-1/2 pts over Harris, and only besting his losing 2020 performance by a bit over 3%, I'm at an absolute loss to understand the vociferous claims of a "mandate".
How can there be a mandate, when the majority of the electorate voted against the candidate?
Oh well . . .
(CNN) Democrats’ flip in California concludes final unresolved US House race
Yeah...it only took them a month and a lot of hard work by people like Pelosi's daughter to scrounge up enough votes to flip a bunch of races from Rep to Dem.
Of course. California is a state that allows ballot harvesting and uses the most generous standards for late ballots and ballots that are not filled out or signed correctly.I was responding to your comment regarding the timelines.
I think of a mandate, by definition, as a popular embrace of a person, a party, a set of policies rather than a broad national "just give us something different" mindset. By that measure, I struggle to see any of the last 8 years or the next 4 as possessing anything like a "mandate." Trump's win in 2016 was after all very much a rejection of Hillary than an embrace of Trump. Biden's win in 2020 was very much a rejection of Trump rather than an embrace of Biden. And I think we can argue that Trump's victory in 2024 was again a reaction of Biden (and Harris by association) than an embrace of Trump.If the House were reversed, GOPs would enjoy the next two years watching Democrats herd cats.
Who considers 49.78% Trump a mandate?
The Green Papers: 2024 General Election Presidential Popular Vote and FEC Total Receipts by Party
2024 General Election Presidential Popular Vote and FEC Total Receipts by Partywww.thegreenpapers.com
... especially when 36% of the voting electorate doesn't vote.
Interesting that in-play states had a higher % voting, as we should expect.
I’ll always quote this staff member from kos on the OP.
They’ll be coming out with potus vote by CD soon, which they and D’s learned the hard way from REDMAP 2010.
Democrats flip House seat, leaving GOP no votes to spare
Democrat Adam Gray won the U.S. House contest in California's 13th District on Tuesday night, ousting GOP Rep. John Duarte in what is likely the closest House race in 2024. Gray defeated Duarte by ...www.dailykos.com
Of course. California is a state that allows ballot harvesting and uses the most generous standards for late ballots and ballots that are not filled out or signed correctly.
The Dem supermajority stacked the deck to ensure they would win as much as possible. Confidence in the result be damned,
Of course. California is a state that allows ballot harvesting and uses the most generous standards for late ballots and ballots that are not filled out or signed correctly.
The Dem supermajority stacked the deck to ensure they would win as much as possible. Confidence in the result be damned,
How about 'cracking' Nashville to give Tennessee an 8-1 delegation?It's the gerrymandered districts that count.
Why is it that California is 40% red, but the GOP only has 23% of the seats there (40-12)? I know, independent redistricting commission. Just a sheer coincidence that they drew districts that overrepresent the Dems by about 10-12 seats.
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