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(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards

Chomsky said:
(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards
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I'm not eager to add a third thread in one day, into the busy Breaking News Forum. But, I felt this news item was too important to pass over.

It appears the Trump Administration has found Columbia University does not meet accreditation standards, and has informed the relevant accreditation agency (Middle States Commission on Higher Education) of the violation.

This is huge. Accreditation is required to receive Pell Grants & Student Loans, and even determines whether degrees and transfer credits will be accepted by other academic institutions, professional societies, and in Industry.

I'm blown-away that the future of an academic institution is at the hands a government administrative determination.
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The concern many of us have with a great deal of government administrative decisions.

But to the case at hand, Columbia is not required to accept federal funding. They could go the route of distinguished institutions such as Hillsdale.
 
The complaint isn't in "post 209" (character limits) but that post points here. Superficially, it looks like an argument, but I find it unpersuasive on details. For example, a KEY incident that they make reference to over and over is that somebody was writing swastikas on the chalk boards. They have this as a statement from one or two janitors. They say Columbia failed to crack down on this, evidencing an unwillingness to act. But how exactly are "extra security officers" supposed to crack the case of the swastika scribbler? There are an absurd number of chalk boards at Columbia. The swastika could be hidden behind another sliding board. There are straggler students everywhere. Furthermore, in all the times they return to the issue, they don't mention any students seeing them. It makes me wonder what the point is to draw swastikas only the janitors see. Were the anti-Semites never able to get up early and go to class before it opened? It makes me wonder if the janitors said they had to go swastika-hunting as an excuse to spend time trying to collect Shiny Pokemon.
 
Action should be taken against anti semitism. While universities like Columbia are already going too far and silencing legitimate criticism of Israel. There Trump’s attacks against Columbia and other universities can lead to even more infringement of free speech.

time.com

Investigations at Columbia Clash with Free Speech Concerns

Columbia has begun investigating students who have been critical of Israel. Some free speech experts have concerns.
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The Trump administration is also directly going after those who criticize Israel's war in Gaza.

"During her testimony, which she offered virtually, Ms Ozturk told the court about her Fulbright scholarship and her PhD work. She said her asthma had worsened during her detention, and at one point she had to take a short break after suffering an asthma attack on camera.

Judge Sessions said Ms Ozturk had raised "very substantial" claims that her First Amendment right to free speech and her due process rights were violated. He said the only evidence the administration had against Ms Ozturk was her op-ed.

"That literally is the case," he said, according to court reporters. "There is no evidence that she has engaged in violence or advocated violence."

www.bbc.com

Rumeysa Ozturk: Turkish Tufts University student released on bail

Her arrest followed the White House's crackdown on what it has classified as antisemitism on US campuses.
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RetiredAtLast said:
Yeah, like people peacefully supported Hitler. He and Hamas shared the same goal.
"“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (Preamble to Hamas Charter).
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In this country you are free to peacefully support whatever cause you like. You and I don’t have to like it.
 
Chomsky said:
I think the anti-Trump movement has to stick together, 100% unified, against every single thing Trump does.

Trump's picking us off, one by one, and we're allowing it.
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Trump looks at the polls then decides his position.

Getting rid of illegals, big win for Trump.
Getting trans out.of women sport, big win fot Trump.
Attacking our greatest institutions of research and learning, big win.
Make people work to get welfare, win.

Some of his positions hold value to all of us so he does pick off voters.

Few Americans see the big picture.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Bullshit, the IDF has had complete control of the open prison that is Gaza and the West Bank since 1973, in that time Israel has stopped all attempts to create a two state solution and end its illegal occupation. We are now witnessing Israel's final solution of the Gazans, and the West Bank is next.

Yes, I would advise against you trying to defend the genocide of Israel against the Palestinians, it is a no-win argument. It is a total hypocrisy of the Jewish state to be committing genocide against anyone considering their own history, but it just goes to show that any population has the capacity to commit abominations, whether that population thinks it is extra special or not.
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Peace has always been in the hands of the Palestinians. Isreal has endured decades of terrorism from those people, and their government has pledged to end Israel. They live within the defined borders of Israel, following a war that they started. Israel has made it clear that they aren't going to cede land - and control of the area - as long as they are effectively waging a gorilla war against Israel.
 
Ikari said:
MAGA needs more stupid people.

Is it just coincidence that as our math and science scores plummet, parties like MAGA rise?

lol
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Stupid people are easier to manipulate and control. Thats why Trump loves the poorly educated.
 
SuperDS77 said:
The concern many of us have with a great deal of government administrative decisions.

But to the case at hand, Columbia is not required to accept federal funding. They could go the route of distinguished institutions such as Hillsdale.
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They can and what you say is true but you miss one point-the funding that will be cut off was not being used to express political opinion Trump does not agree with which is what the cut off presumes. That is where the problem is. It will cut off apolitical research in areas of science for example that might otherwise save lives.
 
SuperDS77 said:
The concern many of us have with a great deal of government administrative decisions.

But to the case at hand, Columbia is not required to accept federal funding. They could go the route of distinguished institutions such as Hillsdale.
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The Administration is attempting to revoke the University's Accreditation.
 
Napoleon said:
If punishing rabid antisemitism “annoys” people then those people need to do some soul searching. Private entities are not bound by the first amendment and the institutionalized animus and discrimination against Jews at Columbia is a violation of Federal law.
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Except there is no institutionalized animus and discrimination against Jews.
All the complaints were about other students and outsiders causing issues.
 
bythoughts said:
The complaint isn't in "post 209" (character limits) but that post points here. Superficially, it looks like an argument, but I find it unpersuasive on details. For example, a KEY incident that they make reference to over and over is that somebody was writing swastikas on the chalk boards. They have this as a statement from one or two janitors. They say Columbia failed to crack down on this, evidencing an unwillingness to act. But how exactly are "extra security officers" supposed to crack the case of the swastika scribbler? There are an absurd number of chalk boards at Columbia. The swastika could be hidden behind another sliding board. There are straggler students everywhere. Furthermore, in all the times they return to the issue, they don't mention any students seeing them. It makes me wonder what the point is to draw swastikas only the janitors see. Were the anti-Semites never able to get up early and go to class before it opened? It makes me wonder if the janitors said they had to go swastika-hunting as an excuse to spend time trying to collect Shiny Pokemon.
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Well and as the janitors stated they university had them spen their time removing those swastikas. If they didn’t give a rip they would have told the janitors not to worry about the hate graffiti.
 
dcsports said:
Peace has always been in the hands of the Palestinians. Isreal has endured decades of terrorism from those people, and their government has pledged to end Israel. They live within the defined borders of Israel, following a war that they started. Israel has made it clear that they aren't going to cede land - and control of the area - as long as they are effectively waging a gorilla war against Israel.
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Yeah that’s not true. That’s like saying that when Germany attacked and conquered France peace was always in the hands of the French.

The Israelis are occupying territory outside their established borders.
 
Ethel2 said:
In this country you are free to peacefully support whatever cause you like. You and I don’t have to like it.
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The question that your comment raises is, "Where does 'peaceful' end?"
 
jaeger19 said:
Except there is no institutionalized animus and discrimination against Jews.
All the complaints were about other students and outsiders causing issues.
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The guy they are trying to deport had been pleading for peace between Israel and Palestinians.

It ain't about anti-semetism.
 
Mika-El said:
They can and what you say is true but you miss one point-the funding that will be cut off was not being used to express political opinion Trump does not agree with which is what the cut off presumes. That is where the problem is. It will cut off apolitical research in areas of science for example that might otherwise save lives.
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Does not have to, Columbia has quite the endowment. Perhaps that could fill the gap, so to speak.

endowment.giving.columbia.edu

Endowment Performance and Management - Columbia Endowment 2024

See Columbia’s endowment performance for the most recent fiscal year and its transformative long-term endowment gains.
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Fiscal Year 2024 Endowment Performance​


For the fiscal year ending June 30, 2024, the total value of the endowment was $14.8 billion. Columbia University produced a return of 11.5% on the managed assets in its endowment portfolio for FY24. The University’s trailing five and ten-year returns are 8.5% and 7.4%, respectively.


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Chomsky said:
Nope. Even NYPD weren't enough.
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In the situations I saw, the Campus Police weren't used soon enough. I think there was an attitude of, "They're just students and it's free speech" that caused officials to not display a willingness to control the situation. The same thing happened at UCLA and other campuses.
I'm a strong believer in free speech, but when the talking gives way to occupying buildings or preventing the use of the campus by people who are entitled (indeed, have paid) to use it, a line is crossed.
 
SuperDS77 said:
Does not have to, Columbia has quite the endowment. Perhaps that could fill the gap, so to speak.

endowment.giving.columbia.edu

Endowment Performance and Management - Columbia Endowment 2024

See Columbia’s endowment performance for the most recent fiscal year and its transformative long-term endowment gains.
endowment.giving.columbia.edu endowment.giving.columbia.edu


Fiscal Year 2024 Endowment Performance​


For the fiscal year ending June 30, 2024, the total value of the endowment was $14.8 billion. Columbia University produced a return of 11.5% on the managed assets in its endowment portfolio for FY24. The University’s trailing five and ten-year returns are 8.5% and 7.4%, respectively.


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University endowments can’t replace federal funding​

 
jaeger19 said:
Yeah that’s not true. That’s like saying that when Germany attacked and conquered France peace was always in the hands of the French.

The Israelis are occupying territory outside their established borders.
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That's incorrect - read your history.

Israel was the one attacked, and was able to beat back other countries. Temporary borders were established, and eventually new borders negotiated with the countries around them. The West Bank and Gaza are within the negotiated borders of Israel, leaving some of the people living there in Limbo.

Israel has signaled a willingness several times to spin these areas off, but the people living there (especially Gaza) have kept up a campaign of terror, and have made a good portion of Israel difficult to live in due to the threat of rocket and other attacks. As long as that continues, and the people continue the campaign, Israel won't (and shouldn't) cede land to them, along with access to purchase arms.
 
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