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Your own links say the FBI (I assume) CORROBORATED part of the dossier and used that part in the FISA request. I'm just going by what your own links allege.
Is it your position that FBI went to FISC with nothing but accusations from the Steele memos and the court granted wiretaps based on information FBI could not or had not corroborated at all? That makes no sense, and we know the FBI had been looking into Trump connections long before the dossier was completed.
The Dems took, literally, a page from the Republican opposition research and continued where the Reps had left off.
President Trump defended his son's meeting with a Russian lawyer whom he believed had political dirt on Hillary Clinton – calling it a normal practice during a U.S. presidential campaign.
Trump is quoted as saying "It's called opposition research, or even research into your opponent. Politics is not the nicest business in the world, but it's very standard where they have information and you take the information."
Nothing so pointed as having a direct meeting of top Trump campaign officials and Russian representatives was like anything conducted by the opposition research paid for by the DNC. Those facts were already out. Mueller may find more.
Yes, he is, but the DNC didn't hire Christoper Steele. It hired Fusion GPS who in turn hired Mr. Steele.
Because the document doesn't pass the smell test. If the report author had such intimate and direct knowledge of that depth and breadth then it would be a first in Kremlin access under Putin. And those details that ARE verifiable have been verified as false (secret meeting in Eastern Europe, golden showers, etc.) and the rest is unknowable hearsay that should never be allowed in a FISA warrant.
Same difference. :lamo
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Good job aborting your argument.
The bigger problem for me is that at some point it's status was moved from propaganda to a legitimate report and was used as the basis for a bunch of warrants and investigations.
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Not quite.
from the WaPost article linked to in post #9`
There are times when a failure by one person to read all of a linked web page has caused others to find 'interesting' stuff.
Where in any of the linked articles on this storyline does it say that Fushion GPS was working for the Russians?
What I find interesting from your link is this quote taken from the last paragraph...Huh. So did the Republicans.
The Steele Dossier and Fusion GPS’s research into Donald Trump and Russia was originally funded by a GOP campaign funder and then later funded by Democrats. In other words, we now know what we knew literally a year ago. Or if you prefer, Democrats agreed to fund continued research into Russia possibly owning Donald Trump after Republicans decided they didn’t care anymore.
What’s Up With The Times Piece on Elias, Steele and Fusion GPS? – Talking Points Memo
At the end of the day, what seems relevant to me is that the funding behind the Steele/Fusion GPS effort has been known since last year. It had details about at least the outlines of the Russian subversion campaign long before they were publicly known. How there’s anything bad about money from the campaign and the DNC helping to fund it is a complete mystery.
But you just alleged that these incredible allegations were not only included in that warrant, but I presume the basis for warrant(s) that were granted. That implies that the FBI counterintelligence team and the FISC are complete frauds, all of them knowingly participated in a lie. If your cited author knows this stuff, presumably the FBI know also, and the FISC, but none raised objections to it.
No, you posted links to prove the dossier was used in FISA warrants. Those links say the info presented to the FISC was corroborated. Now you say, well, ignore THAT part of the link and just assume the FBI and the FISC both knowingly participated in a fraud, a lie, to obtain warrants for some deep, government-wide conspiracy to....something Trump.
The part you put in red was an acknowledgment that we have about 87 or so different agencies and sub agencies doing intelligence work, and I have no idea who or how that info got corroborated, as the links YOU posted allege.
What I find interesting from your link is this quote taken from the last paragraph...
...particularly the sentence in bold.
It wasn't but a few months ago that seemingly the whole world was up in arms about Don Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer for the purposes of obtaining dirt on Hillary. In the case of Fusion GPS, they paid a guy(Steele) to go to Russia and dig up dirt on Trump. Not only did he work directly with agents of the Russian government, he PAID THEM for the information.
So is the moral of the story it's perfectly fine to solicit agents of a foreign government to sabotage your opponent as long as you pay someone not connected with the campaign to do the soliciting?
A fake dossier led to a FISA warrant?
If so, this is going to be juicy watching the liberal minds explode on here.
If the dossier is real, it may have more potential to blow up the trump administration.
Yes, he is, but the DNC didn't hire Christoper Steele. It hired Fusion GPS who in turn hired Mr. Steele.
It's not even close to looking like it.
There is one republican involved, and I can't wait to see who it is. I also want to see the gag order lifted on the witness.
Double standard noted.
They took a report from a foreign entity, contracted or not by a us entity is irrellevant, they knowingly used this false information from a foreign source and with the help of the media used it to affect the election.
There is more evidence that hillary engaged foreign entities than trump. by far.
If the dossier is real, it may have more potential to blow up the trump administration.
That is why Ryan's support is critical. For a House committee's subpoena to have maximum effect, it must have the power of the House of Representatives, in the person of the speaker of the House, behind it.
Which is what Ryan did Wednesday morning. "We've had these document requests with the administration, the FBI in particular, for a long time, and they've been stonewalling," Ryan said in an interview with Reuters. "The FBI and the Justice Department need to give Congress the documents it has been requesting, and they need to do so immediately."
They took a report from a foreign entity, contracted or not by a us entity is irrellevant, they knowingly used this false information from a foreign source and with the help of the media used it to affect the election.
There is more evidence that hillary engaged foreign entities than trump. by far.
It was McCain. Bank on it.
The way the dossier was obtained and who paid for it has the potential to blow up the FBI, the Obama administration, and the Clinton campaign. Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan is now putting his weight behind the subpoena sent to the FBI by Nunes. If Rosenstein doesn't act on it shortly on behalf of the DOJ and the FBI, he is in contempt. His job is to investigate, not stonewall.
Byron York: Speaker Paul Ryan backs House subpoena on Trump dossier, slams FBI 'stonewalling'
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