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Climate scientists - there are plenty of them out there being ignored or disregarded by mainstream media

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Even the go-to climate hysteria online propaganda mill for climate alarmism zealots acknowledges the existence of his peer-reviewed work: https://skepticalscience.com/peerreviewedskeptics.php?s=128

Random forum dwellers don't decide for me who is or isn't a subject matter expert, or who does or doesn't have the education & experience in climate science.
Those articles are not climate science. Those are meta analysis of others' climate science. So youre wrong there.

And they are all >20 years old. And he is now a paid denier, funded by fossil fuel corporations.

Sorry dude, you picked a dud. Which you will always do, because you are on the wrong side of all the science. Try again and see.
 
Then I suggest you learn it before you criticize someone who do.

I have do disagrement with the consensus as published in papers. The problem is, the pundits lie about what the consensus actually means.

Neither side should get tax dollars for the climate sciences. Subsidies should not be buying the wealthier of us solar generation, and subsidize $60,000 EV cars. We have better things to spend our tax dollars on, including reducing the debt.

I disagree. The unnatuiral transition to green energy is causing problem. Unstable power grinds for one.

It is real, and it does impact us. Are you this imprecise in your programming? The disagreement is how significant AGW is, and why are only greenhouse gasses being addressed instead of physical pollutants and land use changes?

The consensus is that we have an effect. Agreeing that we "contribute" to climate change is where you get the 97+%. Keep in mind, contribute, can be an exceptionally small percentage. Only a small percentage of papers and scientists polled think that AGW is a problem.

It would appear that by your standards, you offer no contribution to these forums.
I’ll just note that the guy writing all this above has never actually talked to a climate scientist. Ever.
 
You sure love strawmen. Are you married to one?
Strawman? How does that apply here?

You have never spent any time with any of the people that have PhDs in the area that you keep claiming they dont know anything about. It’s a fact.
 
I see that @longview and @Lord of Planar are still on this forum, trying to convince laymen (apologies if anyone is involved in climate science). Both of you are still too busy to publish your alternative interpretations I assume? Strange that you seem to consider yourselves informed enough to contradict other scientists, yet are unwilling to submit yourselves to the peer review process, which is fundamental to how science is done today. And, while not perfect, it is clearly successful as whole, given all the successes we have seen borne from that process.

Instead of trying to expand your own knowledge, what you are instead doing is as if I decided I would write a compiler (a common exercise for computer scientists), but rather than reading and applying the concepts of the many computer scientists before me, I decided in my mind that all they have done is crap and only I know the 'best way'. Certainly, I could still write a compiler like this, but at best, I'd simply come to the same conclusions of those who came before me and will have wasted much time and energy in an effort to prove myself somehow better than them. At worst, I would make a mess, and miss all the key principles the exercise is designed to teach a budding Computer Scientist.
It is clear that you have not bothered to understand the difference between a contradiction and an observation.
Neither LOP or myself, have attempted to show that Human caused climate change is false.
The open question is, how sensitive is the climate to added CO2?
If the CO2 level in the atmosphere, eventually doubles,(and it might), how much warming could we actually expect?
We have many computer models which show that if we simulate an abrupt doubling of the CO2 level,
dangerous warming, could result.
Because the CO2 level will not double abruptly in the real world, the simulation is less than realistic.
Simulations with CO2 pulses less than an abrupt doubling (closer to actual emissions) show much less warming.
The time lag between a carbon dioxide emission and maximum warming increases with the size of the emission
Besides showing lower sensitivity, the study presents another point of fear used in the AGW argument.
Our results indicate that as CO2 continues to accumulate in the atmosphere, the full warming effect of an emission may take several decades, if not centuries to emerge. A large fraction of the warming, however, will be realized relatively quickly (93% of the peak warming is realized 10 years after the emissions for the 1000 PgC pulse). This implies that the warming commitment from past CO2 emissions is small, and that future warming will largely be determined by current and future CO2 emissions.
The idea that there is massive warming "in the pipeline" that the warming is coming no matter what we do today.
The reality is that over 93% of the warming from emissions before 2012, have already happened, and likely more, because,
Human style emissions are ~9.6 GtC annually, not 100 GtC, or 1000 GtC.
This brings use to simulations other than ECS, like TCR, and TCRE, where the simulation of 1% annual increases
in the CO2 concentration, are much closer to how Humans emit CO2.

As to publishing, would you release a program that you suspected still had bugs, or if you employment could be compromised?
In addition publishing usually requires something be "new art" an addendum to an existing concept or an entirely new concept.
None of what we are discussing is "new art" as the data is published by the IPCC.
 
None of what we are discussing is "new art" as the data is published by the IPCC.
This is just not true. Much of what you claim around here is not published or is contradictory to what is published in the IPCC report.
 
This is just not true. Much of what you claim around here is not published or is contradictory to what is published in the IPCC report.
Buzz, the only new art that I think I have added was evaluating the climate feedback that has
already happened as a black box amplifier.
The idea discussed in this thread is about how the authors converted a 1% annual increase in the PPM concentration level
of CO2, into the 1000 GtC accumulation. but that comes down to is 2XCO2 sensitivity for TCRE ~1°C or 2°C?
 
Buzz, the only new art that I think I have added was evaluating the climate feedback that has
already happened as a black box amplifier.
The idea discussed in this thread is about how the authors converted a 1% annual increase in the PPM concentration level
of CO2, into the 1000 GtC accumulation. but that comes down to is 2XCO2 sensitivity for TCRE ~1°C or 2°C?
The only new thing you did was change it so it makes your denial of reality more palatable to you.
 
The only new thing you did was change it so it makes your denial of reality more palatable to you.
Change what Goofs? Really, what do you think I changed converting 1000 GtC into ppm CO2?
 
The conclusion.

How do you not get this?
What conclusion was changed in a unit conversion?
Be specific, if you "know" I made a mistake in converting 1000 GtC into CO2 ppm,
then show where the error was? You simply not liking the results, does not make them wrong!
 
What conclusion was changed in a unit conversion?
Be specific, if you "know" I made a mistake in converting 1000 GtC into CO2 ppm,
then show where the error was? You simply not liking the results, does not make them wrong!
Jesus. You don’t get it.

You’re arriving at a low climate sensitivity number which is the low end of the IPCC consensus, and claiming it’s the full answer, because you’re perseveration about your napkin math.
 
Jesus. You don’t get it.

You’re arriving at a low climate sensitivity number which is the low end of the IPCC consensus, and claiming it’s the full answer, because you’re perseveration about your napkin math.
Goofs, it is you who does not understand!
The IPCC published the results of a TCRE simulation of how much warming would result from
a 1% annual increase in the concentration of CO2 until the level reached 1000 GtC.
I converted that sensitivity (1.65°C per 1000 GtC) to a CO2 doubling relative to the pre industrial level of 280 ppm.
Unless you can show an error in the conversion, then what the IPCC published stands.
 
Goofs, it is you who does not understand!
The IPCC published the results of a TCRE simulation of how much warming would result from
a 1% annual increase in the concentration of CO2 until the level reached 1000 GtC.
I converted that sensitivity (1.65°C per 1000 GtC) to a CO2 doubling relative to the pre industrial level of 280 ppm.
Unless you can show an error in the conversion, then what the IPCC published stands.
And?

What do you conclude from this?
 
Buzz, the only new art that I think I have added was evaluating the climate feedback that has
already happened as a black box amplifier.
Oh, please... you have been adding "new art" around here for years only to have it debunked over and over again. Like this totally made-up nonsense about black box amplifiers. That isn't a term used in climate science anywhere that you can cite. Even the latest IPCC report never even uses the term even once in all of its nearly 4000 pages. It is just more of your denialist BS.
The idea discussed in this thread is about how the authors converted a 1% annual increase in the PPM concentration level

of CO2, into the 1000 GtC accumulation. but that comes down to is 2XCO2 sensitivity for TCRE ~1°C or 2°C?
There is nothing wrong with TCRE until you distort it with your screwed-up math. And I have already explained why your math is wrong several times now. And I think you know why it is wrong but you are just too intellectually dishonest to admit it.
 
Goofs, it is you who does not understand!
The IPCC published the results of a TCRE simulation of how much warming would result from
a 1% annual increase in the concentration of CO2 until the level reached 1000 GtC.
I converted that sensitivity (1.65°C per 1000 GtC) to a CO2 doubling relative to the pre industrial level of 280 ppm.
Unless you can show an error in the conversion, then what the IPCC published stands.
Your denialist conversion is not published in the IPCC reports.
 
Oh, please... you have been adding "new art" around here for years only to have it debunked over and over again. Like this totally made-up nonsense about black box amplifiers. That isn't a term used in climate science anywhere that you can cite. Even the latest IPCC report never even uses the term even once in all of its nearly 4000 pages. It is just more of your denialist BS.

There is nothing wrong with TCRE until you distort it with your screwed-up math. And I have already explained why your math is wrong several times now. And I think you know why it is wrong but you are just too intellectually dishonest to admit it.
That you for confirming that the idea of using a black box amplifier to evaluate climate feedbacks is new art.
The fact that no one else has done it, is what makes it new art.

You say I am screwing up the math in converting a warming per 1000 GtC (or 1000 GtCO2) into 2XCO2,
yet you have not shown any error in the math! The IPCC themselves do not say if the results is pre or post
airborne fraction, but the peer reviewed literature does say TCRE is based on increasing the
CO2 concentration (PPM) by 1% annually, in a concentration driven model.
For your benefit, I have show both pre and post airborne fraction, and both are quite low.
 
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