Climate Change Evidence Mounts

[calamity]

And, so do the problems associated with it.

A recent Russian study found that the thawing of underwater permafrost has doubled in the past three decades, reaching 18 centimetres a year. One of the consequences has been massive releases of methane from the seafloor, including from hydrates, ice-like formations of solid methane that can explode into gas if they are destabilised.

Remember, Methane is worse than CO2.

Methane is especially dangerous, as it can warm the earth 86 times as much as carbon dioxide over 20 years in the atmosphere.

And, there is a lot of it bubbling up these days.

...violent bubbles seemed to make the water “boil” over an area of 50 square feet.

The concentration of methane in the air there was up to 16 parts per million, more than nine times higher than the atmospheric average.

Russian scientists find 'most powerful' ever methane seep in Arctic Ocean

 

[akyron]

Climate change belief given same legal status as religion

" In a landmark ruling, Mr Justice Michael Burton said that "a belief in man-made climate change ... is capable, if genuinely held, of being a philosophical belief for the purpose of the 2003 Religion and Belief Regulations".

The ruling could open the door for employees to sue their companies for failing to account for their green lifestyles, such as providing recycling facilities or offering low-carbon travel.

The decision regards Tim Nicholson, former head of sustainability at property firm Grainger plc, who claims he was made redundant in July 2008 due to his "philosophical belief about climate change and the environment".

In March, employment judge David Heath gave Mr Nicholson permission to take the firm to tribunal over his treatment.

But Grainger challenged the ruling on the grounds that green views were political and based on science, as opposed to religious or philosophical in nature.

John Bowers QC, representing Grainger, had argued that adherence to climate change theory was "a scientific view rather than a philosophical one", because "philosophy deals with matters that are not capable of scientific proof."

That argument has now been dismissed by Mr Justice Burton, who last year ruled that the environmental documentary An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore was political and partisan.

The decision allows the tribunal to go ahead, but more importantly sets a precedent for how environmental beliefs are regarded in English law.

 

[Tetron]

Climate change as a religion makes alot of sense to me. It is taken as seriously as a truly devout believer does their religion and the desire to convert others to that way of thinking exceeds even that of evangelicals. The problem with discussing "climate change" is the constant attempts to ascribe all changes in the climate to human activities. Even if the earth was utterly lifeless it would see climate change occurring on a regular basis. That is simply the nature of any planetary body that has a climate. Even gas giants such as Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus have changing climates.

As specifically regards the melting of permafrost, the fact that we are currently leaving an ice age (on a geologic time scale), a time of maximum ice, means that even without the presence of any life on earth we would be seeing increasing rates of melt. The true discussion needs to be not is the climate changing, because until the sun explodes and devours the earth it always will, but is the climate changing in a way that it would not otherwise be changing due to mans interference.

 

[calamity]

Climate change as a religion makes alot of sense to me. It is taken as seriously as a truly devout believer does their religion and the desire to convert others to that way of thinking exceeds even that of evangelicals. The problem with discussing "climate change" is the constant attempts to ascribe all changes in the climate to human activities. Even if the earth was utterly lifeless it would see climate change occurring on a regular basis. That is simply the nature of any planetary body that has a climate. Even gas giants such as Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus have changing climates.

As specifically regards the melting of permafrost, the fact that we are currently leaving an ice age (on a geologic time scale), a time of maximum ice, means that even without the presence of any life on earth we would be seeing increasing rates of melt. The true discussion needs to be not is the climate changing, because until the sun explodes and devours the earth it always will, but is the climate changing in a way that it would not otherwise be changing due to mans interference.

Ah, that must be it. 1000's of years of gradual warming crammed into a few decades is the result of the ending ice age. :roll:

 

[Lord of Planar]

Remember, Methane is worse than CO2.

No it isn't.

It's a lie, using the instantaneous slope of change. As many times as I have explained whet RE (radiative efficiency) and GWP (global warming potential) actually mean, you guys still deny the science behind it.

You guys are so easily duped by the agenda.

 

[Media_Truth]

And, so do the problems associated with it.



Remember, Methane is worse than CO2.

And, there is a lot of it bubbling up these days.

Russia has experienced some of the most pronounced warming in the world. It's about time they started acknowedging the problem.

 

[calamity]

Russia has experienced some of the most pronounced warming in the world. It's about time they started acknowedging the problem.

It's costing them money, since their oil rigs are now becoming unstable. Soon, even the deniers will be onboard, simply because the money people who rule their minds will demand they change them.

 

[calamity]

No it isn't.

It's a lie, using the instantaneous slope of change. As many times as I have explained whet RE (radiative efficiency) and GWP (global warming potential) actually mean, you guys still deny the science behind it.

You guys are so easily duped by the agenda.

:roll:


:2rofll:

 

[Jack Hays]

[h=3]IPCC Estimates Of Methane Emissions Overestimated, Not Distinguishable From Natural Background[/h]

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[h=3]Ruppel and Kessler, 2017[/h]“On the contemporary Earth, gas hydrate is dissociating in specific terrains in response to post-LGM [last glacial maximum] climate change and probably also due to warming since the onset of the Industrial Age. Nevertheless, there is no conclusive proof that the released methane is entering the atmosphere at a level that is detectable against the background of ~555 Tg yr−1 CH4 emissions. The IPCC estimates are not based on direct measurements of methane fluxes from dissociating gas hydrates, and many numerical models adopt simplifications that do not fully account for sinks, the actual distribution of gas hydrates, or other factors, resulting in probable overestimation of emissions to the ocean-atmosphere system.”

 

[calamity]

[h=3]IPCC Estimates Of Methane Emissions Overestimated, Not Distinguishable From Natural Background[/h]

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[h=3]Ruppel and Kessler, 2017[/h]“On the contemporary Earth, gas hydrate is dissociating in specific terrains in response to post-LGM [last glacial maximum] climate change and probably also due to warming since the onset of the Industrial Age. Nevertheless, there is no conclusive proof that the released methane is entering the atmosphere at a level that is detectable against the background of ~555 Tg yr−1 CH4 emissions. The IPCC estimates are not based on direct measurements of methane fluxes from dissociating gas hydrates, and many numerical models adopt simplifications that do not fully account for sinks, the actual distribution of gas hydrates, or other factors, resulting in probable overestimation of emissions to the ocean-atmosphere system.”

Climate explained: why some people still think climate change isn’t real

Denial happens when climate science rubs us up the wrong way. Instead of making us want to arrest the climate crisis, it makes us resist the very thought of it, because the facts of anthropogenic global heating clash with our personal projects.

It could be that the idea of climate change is a threat to our worldview. Or it could be that we fear society’s response to climate change, the disruption created by the transition to a low-emissions economy. Either way, climate change becomes such an “inconvenient truth” that, instead of living with and acting upon our worries, we suppress the truth instead.

 

[Drawdown]

And, so do the problems associated with it.



Remember, Methane is worse than CO2.



And, there is a lot of it bubbling up these days.

Then perhaps alarmists should stop converting methane into carbon equivalents to justify their war on poor people.

 

[marke]

And, so do the problems associated with it.
Remember, Methane is worse than CO2.

And, there is a lot of it bubbling up these days.

Democrat alert: 'Dangerous subterranean gasses are being released in alarming quantities in recent years due to the rise in volcanic activity. Please send your congressman a note demanding he support the Clinton Global Initiative to make global warming go away by throwing trillions of federal dollars at it.'

TV evangelistic sales pitch by the Rev. Al Gore of the Church of Climatology: 'There is no time to lose, comrades. Send in your seed gift now of a thousand, ten thousand or even a million to the address on the bottom of your screen to help in our effort to stop volcanoes from creating climate change.'

 

[Outlook]

And, so do the problems associated with it.



Remember, Methane is worse than CO2.



And, there is a lot of it bubbling up these days.

We are doomed. Are the scientists giving us another 30 years before the earth is destroyed?
We need to immediately park our cars, end all cruises, no longer mow our lawns (not a bad thing), ground all planes (I don’t fly anyway) and kill the cows that poop. We will than be saved. But than we have to get the other countries including China to go along.
When the American public drastically reduce their carbon footprint will the hypocrite elites and politicians do the same? Unlikely, they like to tell you what to do but to follow suit, no way.

 

[PoS]

[h=3]IPCC Estimates Of Methane Emissions Overestimated, Not Distinguishable From Natural Background[/h]

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[h=3]Ruppel and Kessler, 2017[/h]“On the contemporary Earth, gas hydrate is dissociating in specific terrains in response to post-LGM [last glacial maximum] climate change and probably also due to warming since the onset of the Industrial Age. Nevertheless, there is no conclusive proof that the released methane is entering the atmosphere at a level that is detectable against the background of ~555 Tg yr−1 CH4 emissions. The IPCC estimates are not based on direct measurements of methane fluxes from dissociating gas hydrates, and many numerical models adopt simplifications that do not fully account for sinks, the actual distribution of gas hydrates, or other factors, resulting in probable overestimation of emissions to the ocean-atmosphere system.”

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[Media_Truth]

It's costing them money, since their oil rigs are now becoming unstable. Soon, even the deniers will be onboard, simply because the money people who rule their minds will demand they change them.

Yes, here is a recent in-depth article about Russia, the Paris Accord, and other Climate Change issues. The gist of the the article is that climate change is presenting a lot of problems to Russia, but are they really committed to resolutions?

Russia Signs Climate Accords & Putin Responds To Climate Change, But There’s A Catch | CleanTechnica

The biggest problem is that the permafrost that used to stay frozen is turning into a swamp, and that has a dire consequence. The foundation for all infrastructure is built atop the solid permafrost that never melted. Now that it is melting for the first time, every manmade structure is at risk of collapse. Now while that is life threatening to a lot of people, it also threatens Russia’s main source of income. Oil and gas fields are located under the permafrost and a lot of the pipes are also built on top of permafrost. If the fossil fuel infrastructure collapses as well as the pipes, then that is a financial disaster...
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Putin’s response was a huge mixed bag of everything. Something a transcript can’t really tell you, however, is how much Putin struggled not to use words like climate change, and you could almost literally see his struggle to go against years of conditioning not to acknowledge the issue at hand. Nonetheless, Putin’s answer was as enlightening about Russia’s plans as much as it was disturbing.

 

[Jack Hays]

Climate explained: why some people still think climate change isn’t real

Responding to a research result with psychobabble.

 

[Deuce]

is the climate changing in a way that it would not otherwise be changing due to mans interference.

Oh my god, what a breakthrough! Why didn't anyone ask this question before!?

 

[Deuce]

Responding to a research result with psychobabble.

You do exactly that quite regularly.

 

[calamity]

Responding to a research result with psychobabble.

Showing the psychological disconnect from reality which climate change deniers experience is demonstrated daily by their babbling. You are correct.

 

[Jack Hays]

You do exactly that quite regularly.

Showing the psychological disconnect from reality which climate change deniers experience is demonstrated daily by their babbling. You are correct.

Unimpressive.

 

[Jack Hays]

The evidence against any sort of climate crisis is mounting.

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[Jack Hays]

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[Surface Detail]

The evidence against any sort of climate crisis is mounting.

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Oh well! If a Professor of Marketing Science has changed his mind, that settles it. The actual climate scientists must all be wrong :lamo

 

[Jack Hays]

Oh well! If a Professor of Marketing Science has changed his mind, that settles it. The actual climate scientists must all be wrong :lamo

In this case, the weight of expertise is against the climate scientists. You are embarrassing yourself. From the link in #21:

". . . But then the forecasting scientists in the Institute told me that the forecasts of global warming were not to be trusted. They pointed out that climate scientists were not forecasting scientists, that climate scientists were ignorant of the established principles that help improve the very difficult business of making forecasts (ie predicting the future) in complex conditions, and that their forecasting approaches were a very long way from best practice. It’s common for experts in a field (finance, politics, physics) to assume that their expertise means they can make better forecasts than non-experts. However, research on forecasting accuracy has shown over and over that this is not true, experts are merely more sure of their forecasts, but no more accurate. . . ."

 

[calamity]

Here's a good article on the draining/calving of Greenland's ice sheet, for anyone who wants to actually learn something.

Greenland's dying ice