Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says

[ColdHardTruth]

He claims there was a memo, but it has not been produced. What's more interesting is that his lawyers are not making the claim he declassified the documents in court, which if this follows the pattern of his previous lawsuits, means that he's just saying unsubstantiated things publicly that will not stand scrutiny in court.

Correct.

He's lying through his teen and needs to be jailed for it.

 

[TomFitz]

Trump had the chance to make this claim. Only problem: the special master pointed out that he has to submit a list of which docs he classified. "Uh, whatever you have!" isn't going to cut it.

Naturally, team Trump refused to submit such a list, because they would never have compiled a comprehensive list, basically leaving some of the classified docs as "still classified".

It's pretty definitive proof that this is bullshit.

Not only that. But trump’s lawyers don’t trust their client, and so, won’t certify that he has returned all the documents.

 

[jaypatriot]

Sure he can, but then the official declassification process must also transpire.

Re-stamping documents etc.

OK, RV, on one of the few times I agree with you, Trump did not do it right.
Surprised?

"If documents are declassified, there’s usually a painstaking process of blacking out what information still stays secret. “It’s not a question of a concept being declassified, or boxes of documents. It’s a word by word determination,” he said.
The declassification order must be memorialized and any agencies that are affected have to be notified, Moss said. The individual documents then have to be re-marked to show they’re no longer considered classified."

Can a President Declassify Documents and How Does the Process Work?

Former President Donald Trump claimed this week that he had the authority to declassify documents just by thinking about it. While presidents have broad authority to declassify material, but there is a detailed process unlike what Trump described. Here's a look at how declassification works.

www.nbcwashington.com

 

[jaypatriot]

He claims there was a memo, but it has not been produced. What's more interesting is that his lawyers are not making the claim he declassified the documents in court, which if this follows the pattern of his previous lawsuits, means that he's just saying unsubstantiated things publicly that will not stand scrutiny in court.

Are you suggesting Biden has an orange anus?
You're referring to Biden in your response, right?
How do you tell the two scandals apart?
They both flaunted the law governing the removal of classified documents?

 

[Galactic Spin]

How do you tell the two scandals apart?

That's some pretty lame sealioning, there.

 

[Ambig]

How do you tell the two scandals apart?

We use the different facts.

 

[Plasmaball]

I never argued against a presidents power to declassify.

But to pretend that there is no formal declassification process is disingenuous and dishonest.

Documents have to be re-stamped, and any tangential documents have to be stamped if the new classification also affects them.

There is also an attached memorandum as to why a document's classification was changed. Declassification is not a magical process and does not happen in a vacuum.

None of these things happened with the Trump stolen documents.

I agree.

 

[jaypatriot]

We use the different facts.

The Democrats use "facts" as fodder for their confirmation biases.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The Democrats use "facts" as fodder for their confirmation biases.

We use actual facts and not the mindless bullshit being spewed by Faux and the other propaganda services.

 

[soap box]

The Democrats use "facts" as fodder for their confirmation biases.

If you read through this thread, it's clear the side with zero facts is yours.

 

[Athanasius68]

This is exactly like the other claim about the DOJ and trump rioters. Total crap, proven wrong 417 times.

I have long since cited the relevant statute.

That's funny, you make it sound like they were going to keep secrets for Biden, like NARA wasn't going to tell the FBI.

The claim has been made that the Biden team was completely above board and open.
That isn't the case.

Yeah that's a funny assertion, they didn't report it because they told the people who have the most authority to tell the FBI? Yeah that's interesting if someone doesn't have a brain.

Anyone can call the FBI.

The bolded reveals jumping to conclusions. The underlines are of your imaginative, unsubstantiated and spurious inferences.

Based upon the lack of transparency from the Biden people...

 

[Athanasius68]

Wrong. The standard for Unathorized Removal and Retention of Classified Documents is knowledge and intent .

I have long since posted the relevant statute.

How do we know when they were taken? The documents in his office were in a file folder with Beau Biden's funeral arrangements. Beau died before Biden left office. There has been no information relative to timing.

We don't know.
Hence the lack of transparency by the Biden.

. They were handed over to the Archives and the DOJ notified. The FBI is part of the DOJ

The Biden folks were not quite as above board as has been claimed.

Logically, lawyers would be sorting through the documents in his Penn Institute office to decide where they should go, the Penn institute, the university, some other group, or Biden. If they expected to find classified documents people with the appropriate clearance would have been dispatched.

When the DOJ allowed the Biden people to search the home in Delaware, lawyers with appropriate clearance were not sent.

 

[Callen]

I have long since cited the relevant statute

Except it is NOT the relevant statute no matter how often you say it is. The statute you want to use is the Espionage Act which deals with national defense documents. Point us to the factual data you have that says Biden had national defense documents.

 

[Ambig]

The Democrats use "facts" as fodder for their confirmation biases.

Every accusation by a Republican is actually a confession.

 

[soap box]

I have long since cited the relevant statute.

And with a truckload of bias to boot every time.

The claim has been made that the Biden team was completely above board and open.
That isn't the case.

I have no respect for the garbage or the fringe.

Anyone can call the FBI.



Based upon the lack of transparency from the Biden people...

You are not a worthy opponent and I'm not listening. I only glance at your posts to check if you are repeating garbage again.

 

[Athanasius68]

Except it is NOT the relevant statute no matter how often you say it is. The statute you want to use is the Espionage Act which deals with national defense documents. Point us to the factual data you have that says Biden had national defense documents.

That is why documents are classified.
national defense reasons.

 

[jaypatriot]

Every accusation by a Republican is actually a confession.

I confess to the realization that the Democrats are so hungry for power they will torment a sitting Republican president by conducting a witch hunt looking for Russian collusion and mounting two impeachment attacks that amounted to nothing.
I confess I believe Democrats are low enough to send the FBI to search a former Republicans president's house for classified documents but refrain from doing the same thing to a sitting Democrat president because such a search, just before a major election, might impact the chances of a Democrat victory in 2022.

 

[Callen]

That is why documents are classified.
national defense reasons.

No, national defense is not the same as national security. The statute you reference is particular to national defense documents. National security, the basis for classified documents, is much broader.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Galactic Spin]

I confess to the realization that the Democrats are so hungry for power they will torment a sitting Republican president by conducting a witch hunt looking for Russian collusion and mounting two impeachment attacks that amounted to nothing.
I confess I believe Democrats are low enough to send the FBI to search a former Republicans president's house for classified documents but refrain from doing the same thing to a sitting Democrat president because such a search, just before a major election, might impact the chances of a Democrat victory in 2022.

So bizarre. As if democrats ordered or performed the search warrant. This is paranoid insanity. Cultism on parade.

 

[Athanasius68]

No, national defense is not the same as national security. The statute you reference is particular to national defense documents. National security, the basis for classified documents, is much broader.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

www.law.cornell.edu

Lets not get all 'strict constructionist' here. Progressives in general, and the Biden Admin in specific, have been very broadminded in how they have chosen to interpret the law.
Let's avoid accepting their inconsistencies here because of political convenience.

The statute says "any document."

(f)
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

 

[Galactic Spin]

Lets not get all 'strict constructionist' here. Progressives in general, and the Biden Admin in specific, have been very broadminded in how they have chosen to interpret the law.
Let's avoid accepting their inconsistencies here because of political convenience.

The statute says "any document."

(f)
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

And they gave Trump 16 months to voluntarily comply. He didn't.

 

[Ambig]

I confess to the realization that the Democrats are so hungry for power they will torment a sitting Republican president by conducting a witch hunt looking for Russian collusion and mounting two impeachment attacks that amounted to nothing.
I confess I believe Democrats are low enough to send the FBI to search a former Republicans president's house for classified documents but refrain from doing the same thing to a sitting Democrat president because such a search, just before a major election, might impact the chances of a Democrat victory in 2022.

Tribal propaganda. Fake news.

 

[Ambig]

So bizarre. As if democrats ordered or performed the search warrant. This is paranoid insanity. Cultism on parade.

Their leader corrupted the DoJ... so they assume the enemy leader would do the same.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Their leader corrupted the DoJ... so they assume the enemy leader would do the same.

And they cheered for him every time he did it. These are the kids that would get beat up on the playground.

 

[Athanasius68]

And they gave Trump 16 months to voluntarily comply. He didn't.

And...? It had looked like Trump was going to be indicted over Mar-A-Lago.
Now with this Biden stuff, not so sure.