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Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says

So they asked Trump to return them when they inspected the place or they would get a search warrant and return? And he refused?
Why would they need to do that? He was informed of the illegality of his possession of the documents. That's all the disclosure a criminal needs before a search warrant is executed.
 
lol. She lied over and over again about these, and they were hacked. Not to mention the entire question about storage and retention of government records.
LOL You are misinformed. There was never any proof that her server was hacked or that she lied to investigators.
 
Yes, he is.
Nope. That's just the best right wing talking point anybody could spoon feed you, and it is easily dispatched by Biden simply apologizing and calling his own actions irresponsible. Or by revelations that the way the documents got to their final destinations were completely different. So if you want to set yourself up to be knocked over that easily, be my guest.
 
Like Trump
Interesting you would say that. Yes, like Trump.

Big differences being that Biden didn't have the ability to declassify documents, and held onto them much longer. And of course, took less care with security.
 
Why would they need to do that? He was informed of the illegality of his possession of the documents. That's all the disclosure a criminal needs before a search warrant is executed.
So when they were there doing the inspection, telling him how to lock it etc (BTW, did Biden do that?) they didn't ask for the documents then? And if he didn't hand them over they would return with a search warrant?
 
So they asked Trump to return them when they inspected the place or they would get a search warrant and return? And he refused?
The FBI were denied access to the boxes and only could look where they were stored so they got a search warrant. Trump claimed they were his property.
 
The set of facts I provided. Refused to return docs when asked,
So did Biden
kept a large horde of docs after returning some
We don't know how many docs Biden has, do we?

, his lawyers either lying or doing the bidding of a liar, the repeated request not granted till DOJ got a warrant to search and seize
Unprecedented in the history of our Nation.

. Plus, going to court multiple times and insisting the docs were his and DOJ couldn't have them,, when TS/SCI docs in particular would not have been his.
Again given the unprecedented actions taken by Biden's DOJ, it hard to characterize Trump's lawyers action as "sinister."
 
Both are bullshit, and you know it.
I most certainly do not! The Obstruction charge is pretty much cut and dried. The details around the probable cause for the wilful retention of national defense documents is not something I can comment on beyond the Judge agreeing to probable cause
 
The FBI were denied access to the boxes and only could look where they were stored so they got a search warrant.
So if denied, did they tell Trump that would lead to their return with a search warrant?
 
Interesting you would say that. Yes, like Trump.

Big differences being that Biden didn't have the ability to declassify documents, and held onto them much longer. And of course, took less care with security.
Did Trump claim he declassified them?
 
So when denied, did they tell Trump that would lead to their return with a search warrant?
Why would that make any difference? He claimed they all belonged to him. They had an informant that enabled them to get the warrant. Trump did not know about that most likely and no the FBI did not tell him that.
 
So when they were there doing the inspection, telling him how to lock it etc (BTW, did Biden do that?) they didn't ask for the documents then? And if he didn't hand them over they would return with a search warrant?
This is some pretty low IQ sea lioning. The answers to your questions are all very easily found and these facts are in the possession of anyone who has even made the tiniest effort to inform themselves on this topic.

Yes, Trump was given several opportunities over 16 months, including a subpoena that he defied. Please go read up and stop mucking up the thread with your sea lioning.
 
Why would that make any difference? He claimed they all belonged to him.
Even after them telling him they would return with a raid and search warrant?
 
Nope. [ad hominem and deflection removed], and it is easily dispatched by Biden simply apologizing and calling his own actions irresponsible. Or by revelations that the way the documents got to their final destinations were completely different. [ad hominem and deflection removed]
lol. The 'I'm sorry' defense? No. It's absolutely hypocritical of him - and more so of the people defending him.

Again - your deflection and mudslinging shows that you don't have a way to defend this. As I've told you many times, I'm here to have a civil discussion. You aren't. (Feel free to prove me wrong). Take care.
 
Even after them telling him they would return with a raid and search warrant?
They did tell him that. No law enforcement agency would ever tell anybody that. Why are you saying such stupid things?
 
LOL You are misinformed. There was never any proof that her server was hacked or that she lied to investigators.
Yes. It was hacked. Yes she lied. Comey even admitted that to congress.
 
Yes. It was hacked. Yes she lied. Comey even admitted that to congress.
Link to that Comey statement to Congress please. Mistakes are not lies. I bet you did not know that the most "secret" document were nothing but discussions of drone strikes that were also covered in the New York Times. Everyone knew who was sending those drones but was still "top secret" in the Govt. eyes.

In fact, he said, three emails on Clinton's server had a paragraph "summariz[ing] something" and included a C in parentheses at the beginning of it, indicating the paragraph contained information "classified at the confidential level, which is the lowest level of classification."
But those paragraphs were "down in the body" of the emails, and "none of the emails had headers at the top of the document that said it's classified," Comey said. Because of the improper absence of such headers, it "would be ... reasonable" for Clinton to think the emails did not contain classified information, or she may have missed the C markings buried in the tens of thousands of other emails exchanged, he acknowledged.

"We went at this very hard to see if we could make a case," but "my judgment is that she did not" break the law, Comey told the House panel.

According to Comey, there are two things that matter in a criminal investigation like this: Did the person being investigated mishandle classified information, and did the person know that what he or she was doing was illegal? "It takes mishandling it and criminal intent," he said.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi...hillary-clinton-email-probe/story?id=41044927
 
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The 'I'm sorry' defense? No


Clearly the point was Biden just calling his own actions irresponsible.

Yes, that would delete your last desperate talking point.

Can you go one post without inventing a strawman?
 
They did tell him that. No law enforcement agency would ever tell anybody that. Why are you saying such stupid things?
Because you are misinformed. When a cop wants to search your car he will straight up tell you either you can comply, or I will get a warrant, That's SOP. Why do you not know common practices?
 
I most certainly do not! The Obstruction charge is pretty much cut and dried.
It's the flimsiest of all. In June Trump invites a Justice Department national security supervisor and three FBI agents to Mar-a-lago. He shows them the storage facility. Two days later the FBI sends him a thank you note and asks him to put an extra lock on the storage facility. In August they send in the SWAT team to kick in the doors if necessary? You think you can convince anyone that that is Obstruction?

The details around the probable cause for the wilful retention of national defense documents is not something I can comment on beyond the Judge agreeing to probable cause

Any potential espionage charge is equally flimsy.
 
Because you are misinformed. When a cop wants to search your car he will straight up tell you either you can comply, or I will get a warrant, That's SOP. Why do you not know common practices?
So what?
 
I think it is a huge assumption to think this is the statute that applies to Biden. We only know the documents were classified, we do not know they pertained to national defense. This is the statute being used in the Trump case but at this point in the Biden case   I think this is the more appropriate statute.

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
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(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
We don't know that Biden had no authority, because he could have had such docs with authority temporarily while writing a book and then forgot to return them. That's retention, but not unauthorized removal. And he seems not to have had the intent not to return them.

To be fair to Trump, he may have had authority, too, but only temporarily, and only, with still classified docs, if he asked for permission - to prove he declassified the docs, he would need a paper trail, not proof that he was a president and then an ex-president.
 
It's the flimsiest of all. In June Trump invites a Justice Department national security supervisor and three FBI agents to Mar-a-lago. He shows them the storage facility. Two days later the FBI sends him a thank you note and asks him to put an extra lock on the storage facility. In August they send in the SWAT team to kick in the doors if necessary? You think you can convince anyone that that is Obstruction?



Any potential espionage charge is equally flimsy.
It's not an espionage charge...you really are so incredibly ill informed. However, don't feel bad it seems to ne a requirement for many on the right. Debating facts would be so refreshing.
 
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